The story is short on details but I thought this one was interesting. I immediately though of the discussion about shooting on one's own land. I wonder if that was the case.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/136803683.html

I had read that story too.  Google mapping it shows that the area might have some spots where you could shoot a rifle although it is going to draw some attention as there is housing in the area.  What messes this up is the guy had to be shooting at around 10 at night.

Story has been updated to 08:00 PM.

No, it's not the case. The area the shooting took place is pretty heavily populated. And apparently they blocked off the road which is the main road. And people was of course wondering what was going on. There was an elder gentleman that was waiting in traffic and decided to ask the cop at the road block what was going on. People say the cop told the guy to get back in his fùcking truck. When the guy said "hey don't have to talk to me like that" the cop tenses up and proceeded to put his hand on his gun and basically tell the guy to get back in his fùcking truck again.

         There was a lot of people that saw it happen.

No, it's not the case. The area the shooting took place is pretty heavily populated. And apparently they blocked off the road which is the main road. And people was of course wondering what was going on. There was an elder gentleman that was waiting in traffic and decided to ask the cop at the road block what was going on. People say the cop told the guy to get back in his fùcking truck. When the guy said "hey don't have to talk to me like that" the cop tenses up and proceeded to put his hand on his gun and basically tell the guy to get back in his fùcking truck again.

         There was a lot of people that saw it happen.

An LEO acting like an asshole? Say it isn't so.

If all that we read is true, and there was a guy firing a rifle in a residential community, and no one really knew why or what the gunman was going to do, the LEOs would be under a lot of stress, standing out there while they wait and see what the suspect was planning.  Make no mistake, as I am not saying it is ok to "speak sternly" to someone asking a simple question, if that is all that the guy really said and in what tone or postering, but should consider the entire situation and the fact that no one is perfect.  The bottom line, the LEO needed the guy back in his vehicle and used just one additional word to convey a very clear direction and sense of seriousness and urgency.  Needles to say, the guy probably went back into his vehicle with no further questions as it was probably not a time to be standing around talking story.  Thank God no one was hurt

If all that we read is true, and there was a guy firing a rifle in a residential community, and no one really knew why or what the gunman was going to do, the LEOs would be under a lot of stress, standing out there while they wait and see what the suspect was planning.  Make no mistake, as I am not saying it is ok to "speak sternly" to someone asking a simple question, if that is all that the guy really said and in what tone or postering, but should consider the entire situation and the fact that no one is perfect.  The bottom line, the LEO needed the guy back in his vehicle and used just one additional word to convey a very clear direction and sense of seriousness and urgency.  Needles to say, the guy probably went back into his vehicle with no further questions as it was probably not a time to be standing around talking story.  Thank God no one was hurt

Actually there is no reason for the LEO to speak to anyone in that manner. The additional reported gesture regarding the placement of his hand on his sidearm is also unwarranted

They are supposed to be the professionals, but I guess you think it's okay for them to erode our rights little by little until nothing is sacred.

@ Voodoo: it ain't so.

No, cops here have a really bad case of ether "Small man syndrome" or "power trip syndrome". With that said I was a DoD police officer myself once and I delt with a lot of Lt. JG's "butter bars" basically.  that thought they were the shit. Yes it sucks but you know what I never swore at any one of them, there's no sense in it, you lose the objective.

      Now, if this cop did this and people that was around that say they saw this, the cop should be reprimanded. Putting your hand on your sidearm for indimidation factor is bullshit and should never be tolerated. If it was me doing that I'd be relived of my duties on the spot, do not pass go, do not collect $200.

@ Voodoo: it ain't so.

No, cops here have a really bad case of ether "Small man syndrome" or "power trip syndrome".

I know they do, but it just isn't here.


 I have witnessed Jack Booted Thug type behavior all over the states as well.   

As long as they keep getting away with it, we will have to keep putting up with it.

No, I seriously do not think use of profanity errodes our rights in anyway when there is a gunman in the neighborhood and we do not have CCW.  Again all I am saying is given the assumed tense situation, give the guy a break, its not like all the LEOs stood up in unison and barked the comments on a loud speaker, and its still all second hand information, even the second hand information says, was one cop.  Yes, he could he have chosen better words, but it is what it is and there is always gonna be critism and haters of whatever the LEO does or doesn't do.  Don't forget the fact that all events were the result of some dude shooting in a residential neighborhood for no apparent reason, something no responsible firearm owner would do.

In the heat of the moment close to the crime scene ok I'll excuse it, but at a road block that's miles away from the scene? Nah hell no... And the hand on the sidearm thing? Like I said "bullshit", that's over the top.. And your right this is not a responsible firearms owner. Nether is that cop. You do not put your hand on your sidearm unless there is a threat to yours, or other peoples lives plain and simple. There's more people coming out that said they saw what this cop did.

Oh by the way, did you guys hear about the robbery that happened here a couple days ago? Three idiots decided to rob the Chevron with a knife in Koloa, the cashier didn't put up a fight but still get a beat down.. CCW anyone?? I know the cashier.

Not to beat a  deadhorse, but to keep the focus of disgust/frustration, if any, directed toward the cause of the danger to the public... the cop did not draw his gun, just put his hand on it.  Again, just for the sake of arguement, it is an open carry training when dealing with unknown people approaching you, or at the beginning of a possible crowd control or whatever, to turn your hip (holster side) away from the approaching person(s) and additionally place your hand over your firearm to protect from anyones access to it, and if the situation escalates, for your ability to already have one hand where it needs to be .  The part about the guy being "elderly" we seem to assume he is "weak and feable", but I know plenty "elderly" guys who are tough and mean, SOBs with more attitude than when they was in their 20's, no joking and they pretty much talk and say whatever they like to whoever they like. Again, not saying this was the case, but just providing another possiblity.  Just think of the other extreme, the LEO starts to nicely have conversations (talk story) with everyone who walks up to him about what is going on, which he himself at the time probably has only limited information, and someone walking around waiting for their turn to talk to the officer, gets hit by a stray bullet, fired by the guy in the house down the street, which from a rifle can easily travel over a mile away, again lucky this was not the case. As the saying goes, "hindsight is 2020" now that we have the outcome it is easy to judge the "should have could have".  At the time the LEO's method, no matter how crude, rude and unacceptable in the world of polite, kept everyone in their car, and now that all is safe and we know more than before they can report what he said and the situation addressed now that the danger is gone.  I'm pretty sure if you ask anyone who has been "under fire" all kinds of descriptive words are used and mixed in as a part of the intended communications no matter how much you train....

He was not under fire.. Trust me, if I was under fire I'd be the first one saying "F" this "F" you F,F,F, that's human nature "Under Fire" he was not under fire and if you knew where the road block was set up which was "miles away" even the second road block which is a back road going up to kapahi once again "miles away" from the scene.

        "Sir. For your safety I need you to stay in the car as of now I can't say what's going on." Sir im going to need you to keep your distance once again for your and my safety." Sir I'm going to ask you once again, you need to back up and get in your car or you will be detained until the situation is over."

"Get back in you fucking car!!!"

Hmmmmmm.

I get your point my friend, I know what your trying to say. Now, could he have been going for his taser? To a person not knowing what there looking at they would never know the difference.
        Professionalism, most people don't like cop already why give them more fuel.

Not to beat a  deadhorse, but to keep the focus of disgust/frustration, if any, directed toward the cause of the danger to the public... the cop did not draw his gun, just put his hand on it.  Again, just for the sake of arguement, it is an open carry training when dealing with unknown people approaching you, or at the beginning of a possible crowd control or whatever, to turn your hip (holster side) away from the approaching person(s) and additionally place your hand over your firearm to protect from anyones access to it, and if the situation escalates, for your ability to already have one hand where it needs to be .  The part about the guy being "elderly" we seem to assume he is "weak and feable", but I know plenty "elderly" guys who are tough and mean, SOBs with more attitude than when they was in their 20's, no joking and they pretty much talk and say whatever they like to whoever they like. Again, not saying this was the case, but just providing another possiblity.  Just think of the other extreme, the LEO starts to nicely have conversations (talk story) with everyone who walks up to him about what is going on, which he himself at the time probably has only limited information, and someone walking around waiting for their turn to talk to the officer, gets hit by a stray bullet, fired by the guy in the house down the street, which from a rifle can easily travel over a mile away, again lucky this was not the case. As the saying goes, "hindsight is 2020" now that we have the outcome it is easy to judge the "should have could have".  At the time the LEO's method, no matter how crude, rude and unacceptable in the world of polite, kept everyone in their car, and now that all is safe and we know more than before they can report what he said and the situation addressed now that the danger is gone.  I'm pretty sure if you ask anyone who has been "under fire" all kinds of descriptive words are used and mixed in as a part of the intended communications no matter how much you train....

Are you an LEO?
Where did you learn this open carry technique?
Have you ever openly carried a firearm?

Quote from: DonRow on January 06, 2012, 01:15:22 PM

No, it's not the case. The area the shooting took place is pretty heavily populated. And apparently they blocked off the road which is the main road. And people was of course wondering what was going on. There was an elder gentleman that was waiting in traffic and decided to ask the cop at the road block what was going on. People say the cop told the guy to get back in his fùcking truck. When the guy said "hey don't have to talk to me like that" the cop tenses up and proceeded to put his hand on his gun and basically tell the guy to get back in his fùcking truck again.

         There was a lot of people that saw it happen.

An LEO acting like an asshole? Say it isn't so.

Not personally witnessing the incident, I'd reserve judgement.

I've had to investigate jobsite accidents before and the stuff people say can be quite inconsistent and the way things are taken can be much different than intended.

You know what they say " An eye witness is usually unreliable"

Ok, here's an update from inside sources. It was a drunk guy shooting rifle, SWAT was called in and the guy gave up right away. Very reliable source.

Drunk and firearms don't mix! Never do it!

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, which, correct me if I am wrong, is the spirit of the2a HAWAII forum.  GZire is absolutely right in that time will tell as the facts are discovered and as of now everything is just conjecture.  @vooduchikn, your post of personal questions for "credentials" make me feel I have somehow offended you, for this I sincerely appologize as this was truely not my intent.  The intent of my comment(s) was really just to provide another opinion, as we do not have the facts and as an obvious supporter of LEO and our military forces, I did not want the issue sidetracked by an anti-LEO sentiment due to the actions of what seems to be a single Kauai LEO. I will however maintain my opinion that the real issue was the actions of an obviously troubled individual who was acting in what appears to be an irresponsible and irrational way which prompted the Kauai LEO to do their best to maintain control given the many unknowns and potential outcomes.  Being that there was no loss of life, and the stand-off ended with the guy surrendering, I'd venture a guess it ended as best as it could have.  Keep in mind the road blockage was not a routine or planned santa claus parade or traffic accident road closure, it was a potentially dangerous emergency situation with again many unknows, even by the LEO ordered to secure the road.  It appears the only known fact, was that shots were fired in a residential community for reasons unknown and the suspect was not yet apprehended and still at large in the proximity of his known residence. Again if allowed to venture my humble opinion only time will tell as the facts are revealed, but I am glad it ended somewhat peacefully, and with what seems to be minimal casualties (less the alleged verbal abuse by Kauai LEO to a person).  As we all know Hawaii cannot afford any negative press when it comes to our 2nd Amendment rights.  Thank you again 2a Hawaii for providing this forum and ability to exercise our consititutional rights.

Hey I'm a big supporter of military and LEO my uncle is a detective in Waikiki so is my step sister and about fifty of my other family members through out generations. My grandfather was in WWII my dad two tours in vietnam, i have multiple of friends in current ops around the world, I myself as I said before was in law enforcement DoD and flew for St. Louis metro. That's why I get so sensitive when I hear what some cops do that like I said "adds fuel" to the fire cause I know that the majority of them are professional good men and it sucks when someone has to pull a power trip and doing things there not suppose to do, and they think there above the law that suppose to protect. Remember the public has a bigger voice when it comes to things like this.