Please forgive my intrusion into this thread (moderators: please feel free to delete this post), but I want to make sure people know exactly why they are wasting spending their time driving to the police station and standing in line.

From John Lott, Ph.D.'s latest book "The War on Guns: Arming Yourself Against Gun Control Lies":

In February 2000, I testified before the Hawaii State Senate joint hearing between the Judiciary and Transportation committees on changes that were being proposed to the state gun registration laws. I suggested two questions to the state senators: (1) how many crimes had been solved by their current registration and licensing system, and (2) how much time did it currently take police to register guns? The Honolulu police chief was notified in advance about those questions to give him time to research them. He told the committee that he could not point to any crimes that had been solved by registration, and he estimated that his officers spent over 50,000 hours each year on registering guns.

 

Please forgive my intrusion into this thread (moderators: please feel free to delete this post), but I want to make sure people know exactly why they are wasting spending their time driving to the police station and standing in line.

From John Lott, Ph.D.'s latest book "The War on Guns: Arming Yourself Against Gun Control Lies":

In February 2000, I testified before the Hawaii State Senate joint hearing between the Judiciary and Transportation committees on changes that were being proposed to the state gun registration laws. I suggested two questions to the state senators: (1) how many crimes had been solved by their current registration and licensing system, and (2) how much time did it currently take police to register guns? The Honolulu police chief was notified in advance about those questions to give him time to research them. He told the committee that he could not point to any crimes that had been solved by registration, and he estimated that his officers spent over 50,000 hours each year on registering guns.

 

Exactly the point I was mentioning to the person in line next to me.

Also worth mentioning almost every person standing in line seemed to be a Hawaii new gun owner.   I should have brought stickers and passed them out.  Next time. 

Exactly the point I was mentioning to the person in line next to me.

Also worth mentioning almost every person standing in line seemed to be a Hawaii new gun owner.   I should have brought stickers and passed them out.  Next time.

Good idea. Next time you go in there maybe you should have the Lott quote printed up as a nice small (even 5x7 would be readable) poster and ask the cops if you can post it on the door or next to the registration window.    I doubt that even many of the longtime gun owners, not to mention the newer gun owners, know exactly how much of their tax money (in addition to their own time) they are wasting... for nothing but a charade of "public safety".

P.S. I rather doubt that the First Amendment will be respected there any more than the Second Amendment, so I'm guessing you wouldn't be allowed to even hand out "literature", much less post it.

Please forgive my intrusion into this thread (moderators: please feel free to delete this post), but I want to make sure people know exactly why they are wasting spending their time driving to the police station and standing in line.

From John Lott, Ph.D.'s latest book "The War on Guns: Arming Yourself Against Gun Control Lies":

In February 2000, I testified before the Hawaii State Senate joint hearing between the Judiciary and Transportation committees on changes that were being proposed to the state gun registration laws. I suggested two questions to the state senators: (1) how many crimes had been solved by their current registration and licensing system, and (2) how much time did it currently take police to register guns? The Honolulu police chief was notified in advance about those questions to give him time to research them. He told the committee that he could not point to any crimes that had been solved by registration, and he estimated that his officers spent over 50,000 hours each year on registering guns.

Doing some quick math here 50k x $28 (based on outer island police pay because HPD wont relase that information) is 1.4 million a year JUST TO REGISTER GUNS, the registered aprox 60K firearms in 2014, So each firearm costs $23 for them to register. More then likely more because of HPD's higher pay and overtime.

Also based on the number of hours 50K that means they have 24 full time staff working on registrations. 50k hours divided by 52 week divided by 40 hours = 24 positions WHY DO I WAIT IN LINE SO LONG

Doing some quick math here 50k x $28 (based on outer island police pay because HPD wont relase that information) is 1.4 million a year JUST TO REGISTER GUNS, the registered aprox 60K firearms in 2014, So each firearm costs $23 for them to register. More then likely more because of HPD's higher pay and overtime.

Also based on the number of hours 50K that means they have 24 full time staff working on registrations. 50k hours divided by 52 week divided by 40 hours = 24 positions WHY DO I WAIT IN LINE SO LONG

I'd venture that even the most efficiently run private business, free of government mandated bureaucracy (it could happen), would occasionally face a random rush of customers that would cause a temporary longer-than-expected wait. I don't know how often that happens at HPD (Hilo is bad enough), and rather doubt they have any data on "the average wait time" (but I'd like to see it if they did).

The REAL question, of course, is why is there a line at all? Why is there an office at all. Why is there gun registration when even the cops admit it has never done a single thing to enhance public safety? No line. No office space. No waste of millions of dollars year after year after year. Almost bizarre enough to make one think there might be some other "intent" with the whole "registration" system...

We now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion of exactly how long the current wait is...

Doing some quick math here 50k x $28 (based on outer island police pay because HPD wont relase that information) is 1.4 million a year JUST TO REGISTER GUNS, the registered aprox 60K firearms in 2014, So each firearm costs $23 for them to register. More then likely more because of HPD's higher pay and overtime.

Also based on the number of hours 50K that means they have 24 full time staff working on registrations. 50k hours divided by 52 week divided by 40 hours = 24 positions WHY DO I WAIT IN LINE SO LONG

  I wonder how these numbers compare to the DMV.
The line is comparable. 
London808 probably knows ?

  I wonder how these numbers compare to the DMV.
The line is comparable. 
London808 probably knows ?

Honolulu, DMV has a budget (2016) of $16,734,001 compared to its 2014 actual expenditure of $13,667,482.

The employee numbers are part of the City's Department of Customer Services that department has 287 employees earning a total of $11.6 million or an average of $42k each.  DMV has 167 employees earning a combined total of $7 million.

A 2014 study found that the average wait time in Hawaii (state wide DMV offices) was 40.85 minutes and was 19% longer then the national average of 34 minutes.