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stangzilla

Re: Rap Back is Coming Monday
« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2016, 05:05:56 PM »
Firearm Owners Protection Act 1986:

No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or disposition be established. Nothing in this section expands or restricts the Secretary's authority to inquire into the disposition of any firearm in the course of a criminal investigation
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passivekinetic

Re: Rap Back is Coming Monday
« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2016, 06:08:19 PM »
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whynow?

Re: Rap Back is Coming Monday
« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2016, 06:18:16 PM »
I will not buy another firearm this atrocity ends.   Doesn't mean I'll stop buying parts, ammo, mags or countermeasures.   My hope is that the new DOJ and FBI will not cooperate with the state's requests and nip this quick.  If the city does not allow processing of firearms purchases due to the FBI's actions, my hope is that named city and state officials including the state/city entities are sued or charged with violating individual's civil rights.   That's why I'm following how the new feds handle those rebellious sanctuary cities.  All those city officials should be placed on the No Fly list.
Because anti gun politicians, groups and the current state and city administrations have no qualms in destroying you, your family, taking your possessions and home, I hope the new DOJ and AG will secretly place these on the No Fly List and make it no fly-no drive.  Sounds vindictive yeah, but they have no hesitation doing it to us.  They may be allowed to drive in HI but their names would be on lists at all rental companies nationwide and if caught driving on interstates, charged with federal crimes.  They need to have a taste of their own medicine.
If the state ever tried to make this retroactive -  DO NOT COMPLY!!!!!
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ren

Re: Rap Back is Coming Monday
« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2016, 06:24:18 PM »
These same officials will take your tax money to defend their anti-2A laws and policies. Sick isn't it ? :grrr:
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rpoL98

Re: Rap Back is Coming Monday
« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2016, 06:27:29 PM »
and if this discourages law-abiding folks from acquiring guns, then the anti-gun nazis will have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams with this seemingly harmless legislation.
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Rocky

Re: Rap Back is Coming Monday
« Reply #25 on: November 30, 2016, 06:46:45 PM »
Quote from: stangzilla on November 30, 2016, 05:05:56 PM
Firearm Owners Protection Act 1986:

No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or disposition be established. Nothing in this section expands or restricts the Secretary's authority to inquire into the disposition of any firearm in the course of a criminal investigation

    You got it Stang !  :thumbsup:

Firearm Owners Protection Act 1986:   :worship:

The real purpose of this law here in Hawaii is to make you  STOP BUYING GUNS !  :wtf:
WhyNow is falling right into this trap.

   We need one guy to attempt to register and take it to court like Baker.
I just picked up my "last" gun" recently but somebody out there has got to pick something up after the 5th.
I ( we ) will help n whatever way I (we)  can.

   Sorry, I'm pissed  :grrr: as this is a biggy and the NRA should have been on this when it started.  :sleeping:
Letting me know by the usual NRA Email news letter  that this is happening in Hawaii is not enough.
I (we) know it's happening.  :shake:

    If the NRA is not wiling to help in Baker or this one, what am I paying my union dues for ?   ???

We all need to call, write or Email the NRA and let them know that without their help we will lose our fight and our right and if they don't help us.....STOP CALLING US ASKING FOR MONEY AND MEMBERSHIP FEES !

Time for the NRA to step up or shut up.
If not, you can count on me NOT renewing my membership, time or other donations  :wave:

   They'll get my calls tomorrow.

 
« Last Edit: November 30, 2016, 07:01:47 PM by Rocky »
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whynow?

Re: Rap Back is Coming Monday
« Reply #26 on: November 30, 2016, 08:03:51 PM »
Quote from: Rocky on November 30, 2016, 06:46:45 PM
    You got it Stang !  :thumbsup:

Firearm Owners Protection Act 1986:   :worship:

The real purpose of this law here in Hawaii is to make you  STOP BUYING GUNS !  :wtf:
WhyNow is falling right into this trap.

You can correctly state I'm falling into the trap set by the state.   However, after buying 4 long guns and some lowers this year, I don't have a need for anymore firearms.  Sure I want a lot of stuff but don't need it.  Even if rapback dies I don't plan on buying any new guns or more correctly spending money to buy a new gun, but things may change later, I dunno.   So my statement is also correct.
My priorities have changed and this year spent the most on changing the rest of my windows and glass to e-glass with added security features and getting some split unit AC.  Next year I will also spend my cash on less expensive home improvements and also want to get a Stihl 261 chainsaw mainly for its decomp valve.  Three years from now, my plans take me into a different priority altogether.
However some of my firearms related goals like accumulating 1K of 12 ga. 00BK and slugs remain alive this year and next.



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London808

Re: Rap Back is Coming Monday
« Reply #27 on: November 30, 2016, 08:07:03 PM »
I will be calling the AG's office tomorrow to confirm that Rapback is going int effect , I will be heading to HPD and the AG's office on Friday to try and get copys of the policy and privacy documents.


 HPD can say what they want but they dont administer the program all they can do is pass the information on to the Hawaii AG's Office who would actually add you to the program. Although the law was passed as rapback They AG's office does not have the legal authority to share your information with the FBI.

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robtmc

Re: Rap Back is Coming Monday
« Reply #28 on: November 30, 2016, 08:08:44 PM »
Quote from: stangzilla on November 30, 2016, 02:29:05 PM
I just called too.  and yes, next week it starts.   >:(
Glad I got my minor business done a couple weeks ago.
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zippz

Re: Rap Back is Coming Monday
« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2016, 08:15:08 PM »
Quote from: Rocky on November 30, 2016, 06:46:45 PM

Time for the NRA to step up or shut up.
If not, you can count on me NOT renewing my membership, time or other donations  :wave:

   They'll get my calls tomorrow.

Donating to the wrong organization.  The regular NRA fees go towards administration, hunting, safety programs, and training.

For legislative actions and the courts, you have to donate to the separate NRA ILA (Institute for Legislative Action).  It's the org that does the suits.
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mrgaf

Re: Rap Back is Coming Monday
« Reply #30 on: November 30, 2016, 09:27:56 PM »
Quote from: zippz on November 30, 2016, 08:15:08 PM
Donating to the wrong organization.  The regular NRA fees go towards administration, hunting, safety programs, and training.

For legislative actions and the courts, you have to donate to the separate NRA ILA (Institute for Legislative Action).  It's the org that does the suits.
Wish they would but I think they feel this liberal cesspool of a state ain't worth it...they got bigger fish to fry....
I'll be finding out about Rap Back in about 3 weeks. Got a new pistol coming in. Ordered it on Monday and it's being shipped tomorrow. If I cancel it costs me $120). I'll have my day with them though, will pay for this BS in coins, lots of coins and my good friend, who is a lawyer, will be coming with me to counter any BS about it ( I'll also have the bills just in case). I guarantee this; if they refuse the rolled coins, there will be a lawsuit. :wtf:
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aieahound

Re: Rap Back is Coming Monday
« Reply #31 on: November 30, 2016, 11:40:26 PM »
What would happen if you tell them you don't have the cash for the Rapback fee ?
Could they refuse to register your firearm ?
Could you ask for a note stating they refused to register your legally acquired firearm?

(I want to buy Mrgaf's Ruger sr9c but don't wan't to be in  Rapback on principal)
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Heavies

Re: Rap Back is Coming Monday
« Reply #32 on: December 01, 2016, 12:45:44 AM »
Question is, how is the general public supposed to know the who, what, when, and how much about this?  I haven't seen any announcements, HPD website has no updates, I have not heard or seen anything about this.  I just went there last week, no mention of it....

Where is the information coming from?  Why do you have to ask the guy at the window, why didn't they have the information available for everyone?
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Heavies

Re: Rap Back is Coming Monday
« Reply #33 on: December 01, 2016, 01:04:17 AM »
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2016/bills/SB2954_HD1_.HTM

"(i)  No fee shall be charged for permits, or applications for permits, under this section, except for a single fee chargeable by and payable to the issuing county, for individuals applying for their first permit, in an amount equal to the fee [actually] charged by the [Federal Bureau of Investigation to the issuing police department for a fingerprint check in connection with that application or permit.] Hawaii criminal justice data center pursuant to section 846-2.7.  In the case of a joint application, the fee provided for in this section may be charged to each person to whom no previous permit has been issued."


What is the fee?  doesn't say.  First time applicants only, according to this above. ^^^

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrs2006/Vol14_Ch0701-0853/HRS0846/HRS_0846-0002_0007.HTM

§846-2.7  Criminal history record checks.  (a)  The agencies and other entities named in subsection (b) may conduct state and national criminal history record checks on the personnel identified in subsection (b), for the purpose of determining suitability or fitness for a permit, license, or employment; provided that the Hawaii criminal justice data center may charge a reasonable fee for the criminal history record checks performed.  The criminal history record check shall include the submission of fingerprints to:  ...

What is a reasonable fee?  Who determines this?

http://ag.hawaii.gov/hcjdc/criminal-history-records-check/
$30, Is this the new fee?

Or add on this?  +$30 for fingerprint check
http://ag.hawaii.gov/hcjdc/criminal-history-frequently-asked-questions/#cost
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suka

Re: Rap Back is Coming Monday
« Reply #34 on: December 01, 2016, 05:22:15 AM »

the fee [actually] charged by the Hawaii criminal justice data center pursuant to section 846-2.7.



§846-2.7 Criminal history record checks. (a) The agencies and other entities named in subsection (b) may conduct state and national criminal history record checks on the personnel identified in subsection (b), and participate in the rap back program, for the purpose of determining suitability or fitness for a permit, license, or employment; provided that the Hawaii criminal justice data center may charge a reasonable fee for the criminal history record checks performed. The agencies and other entities named in subsection
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Rocky

Re: Rap Back is Coming Monday
« Reply #35 on: December 01, 2016, 08:37:27 AM »
Quote from: zippz on November 30, 2016, 08:15:08 PM
Donating to the wrong organization.  The regular NRA fees go towards administration, hunting, safety programs, and training.

For legislative actions and the courts, you have to donate to the separate NRA ILA (Institute for Legislative Action).  It's the org that does the suits.

Sorry dude, the Institute for Legislative Action (ILA) is the "lobbying" arm of the National Rifle Association.

Besides......

My feelings are hurt and I don't think this is fair !   :(

I want a safe place to cry !    :'(

I want a coloring book !  :P

I want milk and cookies and a nap !   :sleeping:

I want my Mommym!   :love:

I want to protest !   >:D


Do you really know what I want ? :closed:
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punaperson

Re: Rap Back is Coming Monday
« Reply #36 on: December 01, 2016, 08:52:47 AM »
Quote from: zippz on November 30, 2016, 08:15:08 PM
Donating to the wrong organization.  The regular NRA fees go towards administration, hunting, safety programs, and training.

For legislative actions and the courts, you have to donate to the separate NRA ILA (Institute for Legislative Action).  It's the org that does the suits.
Of all the donations, by mainlanders and Hawaii residents to ANY and ALL parts of the NRA, not one single cent has made it's way to support Baker or Young or Fisher (as far as I can determine. Wolfwood, if they are compensating you, please let us know.). Be sure to send them more money so they get the message. Sure. Right.
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MuffinMan

Re: Rap Back is Coming Monday
« Reply #37 on: December 01, 2016, 08:57:30 AM »
Quote from: Rocky on December 01, 2016, 08:37:27 AM
Sorry dude, the Institute for Legislative Action (ILA) is the "lobbying" arm of the National Rifle Association.

Besides......

My feelings are hurt and I don't think this is fair !   :(

I want a safe place to cry !    :'(

I want a coloring book !  :P

I want milk and cookies and a nap !   :sleeping:

I want my Mommym!   :love:

I want to protest !   >:D


Do you really know what I want ? :closed:


You want Play-Doh
There fixed it for ya
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oldfart

Re: Rap Back is Coming Monday
« Reply #38 on: December 01, 2016, 09:24:30 AM »
You better watch out,
You better not cry,
You better not pout,
I'm telling you why:
F-B-I is coming to town!

They’re making a list,
And checking it twice,
Gonna find out who's naughty or nice.
F-B-I is coming to town!

They see you when you're sleeping,
They know when you're awake.
They know when you've been bad or good,
So be good for goodness sake!

OH!...You better watch out, You better not cry
You better not pout, I'm Telling you why.
F-B-I is coming to town.
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Rocky

Re: Rap Back is Coming Monday
« Reply #39 on: December 01, 2016, 09:50:32 AM »
     Just sent this to the NRA-ILA via https://www.nraila.org/contact-nra-ila/

     Please let them know how you feel.  :grrr:
     If it gets the same response as we get from applying for CCW here in Hawaii, we can all save a lot of money on them "Membership dues".  :wave:
I know I will.   :closed:


Dear  NRA-ILA

   On June 23, 2016, Governor Ige of Hawaii was the first in the nation to sign a bill to turn over all of Hawaii's gun owners into a federal database.

   On Monday December  5, 2016 Rap Back  goes into effect.

   There are already several standing laws regarding a National database of firearms owners, so why are you not/have not been jumping on this and nipping it in the bud ?
   Do you think other states will not use this as a precedent to enact similar gun control laws in their states ?

   I am DEEPLY concerned that our NRA-ILA has done nothing to help the firearms owners of Hawaii to combat this atrocity violating our 2nd amendment rights.
(My original concern was the lack of NRA-ILA assistance in the Baker case)

   Your twitter  June 24 of this year  "Breaking: exercising constitutional rights in #Hawaii now gets you entered into a federal watchlist, er, database" was too little of what I expected from the bastion of our 2nd Amendment rights.

   The Firearms community of Hawaii supports the NRA because the
NRA supports privacy rights for gun owners.

According to the NRA, NRA's first purpose and objective is:
"To protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, especially with reference to the inalienable right of the individual American citizen guaranteed by such Constitution to acquire, possess, collect, exhibit, transport, carry, transfer ownership of, and enjoy the right to use arms."

We here in Hawaii are waiting for you to show us that commitment.

   Respectfully submitted,

          RXOXCXKXYX
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