Riiiiiiiiight. 
Kinda like going onto the freeway to stop traffic to get support, eh ?
Do you speed past and almost clip the road worker cuz you're pissed with traffic ?
Don't tip your waitress cuz the price of food is too high ?

    Sure, you can be a little snowflake and piss off the guys behind the window so every one behind you pays for your stupidity.

     Suck it up ButterCup.
Actually HELP our cause instead of whining like a little Libtard. 

"Go out a solicit donations, after you donate to our legitimate legal fight.. 
I'm sure anyone you want to piss off will be more angry by losing to us than they will by some silly little childish stunt. 

Glad your verbiage is so eloquent! Name calling will get you nowhere. Sure hope you feel better now. I've already donated as well as getting some friends of mine to do so as well. Money well spent. As for helping our cause instead of whining like a little libtard, whatever makes you happy but let me just say this. I've been fighting his fight for a long long time, since the days of Chief Nakamura, 27 years as a Hawaii Hunter Ed Master instructor who testified before the legislature numerous times to allow hunters to carry pistols in the field, helped in getting the Hawaii Hunter Ed program recognized as a venue for people who completed and passed the course to get thier handgun permits as well as donating a lot of cash to our cause over the years before I retired. Even with money being a little tight, I still give and will continue to give what I can. Yes I did piurchase an expensive pistol and sold two or three to finance it. Tell you what sonny, let's agree to disagree without resorting to name calling. We're both better than that. I was/was pissed about the BS Rap Back and no matter what anyone thinks or says, HPD was behind it and pushing for it and for that reason I'll personally take them to task. How I pay and what I pay with is between HPD and me but in the interest of making peace, will give them bills but in what denomination is my business.
Nuff said..... 

Then they might just tell you that you have to go home and come back with the money within the 5 day period.

I would be more worried about them saying you cant register then, Waiting till day 6, Kicking in your front door at 2am to arrest you and seize all your firearms for having an unregistered gun. You then lose all your 2a rights. Thats why i was advising holding off.

Agreed. I don't think they would go get a search warrant and kick down your door but they might make a criminal case and refer it to the prosecutor.

If DC would do it over Ammo why wouldent HPD do it over a gun, We have a Swat Team they might as well use it.

"DC Police Raid Businessman’s House Searching For Unregistered Ammo"

That's exactly why I would go in on the fifth day and tell them I need a note that they refused to register it unless I paid for Rapback, which I did not have the financial means to do at the time,  to document I'm not illegal.
(My Wife's not too keen on my idea)

Didn't think about them setting me up as an example. 

That's exactly why I would go in on the fifth day and tell them I need a note that they refused to register it unless I paid for Rapback, which I did not have the financial means to do at the time,  to document I'm not illegal.
(My Wife's not too keen on my idea)

If you dont pay and they wont register it, On day 6 you can be arrested even if you ar at the station to register it. Being arrested is not being convicted. But between arrest and not guilty you can/would lose your 2A rights as you would of committed a crime using a firearm.

Dammit! 

Glad your verbiage is so eloquent! Name calling will get you nowhere. Sure hope you feel better now. I've already donated as well as getting some friends of mine to do so as well. Money well spent. As for helping our cause instead of whining like a little libtard, whatever makes you happy but let me just say this. I've been fighting his fight for a long long time, since the days of Chief Nakamura, 27 years as a Hawaii Hunter Ed Master instructor who testified before the legislature numerous times to allow hunters to carry pistols in the field, helped in getting the Hawaii Hunter Ed program recognized as a venue for people who completed and passed the course to get thier handgun permits as well as donating a lot of cash to our cause over the years before I retired. Even with money being a little tight, I still give and will continue to give what I can. Yes I did piurchase an expensive pistol and sold two or three to finance it. Tell you what sonny, let's agree to disagree without resorting to name calling. We're both better than that. I was/was pissed about the BS Rap Back and no matter what anyone thinks or says, HPD was behind it and pushing for it and for that reason I'll personally take them to task. How I pay and what I pay with is between HPD and me but in the interest of making peace, will give them bills but in what denomination is my business.
Nuff said..... 

     "Yup was pretty pissed off.
Guess I was just venting and I apologize" also
     But your proposed action sounded just like what I've been reading about the young left so the names fit.
(As for name calling, maybe you should have a little respect for your elders).

     Appreciate your service to educate others with the Hawaii Hunter Ed program, very educational in  flora and fauna as well as hunting and natural resources
 Not to belittle you, but after completing that course (in addition to my already existing certifications) I (as well as other professionals) did not find that it provided adequate handgun education to qualify one for a handgun permit. 
If  you really don't discharge a fire arm or even touch one,  how can you be educated about them ?
Perhaps that is something they could work on.

   Glad your all in !   

Heavies,  aloha808 and A Hernandez.

I see your names on the YouTube post which has been picked up by LIFE (Lessons in Firearms Facebook page.
I don't have a YouTube "account" but maybe one of you guys can post the donation info on the You tube page.
 I'll try to get it on the LIFE Facebook page.

 

Heavies,  aloha808 and A Hernandez.

I see your names on the YouTube post which has been picked up by LIFE (Lessons in Firearms Facebook page.
I don't have a YouTube "account" but maybe one of you guys can post the donation info on the You tube page.
 I'll try to get it on the LIFE Facebook page.

 

done.
Searching for other places to post.
If Ya'll got Facebook pages, if you post the Gofundme link, it'll go out to all of your friends.
Re-posting info to keep it up top.

   If anyone would like to contribute to the fight they can do so via
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or
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or
Via Check or money order, payable to Andrew Namiki Roberts.
Mailed to : Andrew Namiki Roberts P.O BOX 283182 Honolulu, HI 96828

   Any money received will go towards the legal fight to stop rapback any additional funds and/or unused funds will go towards other 2nd amendment challenges.
Ask me here If you have any questions
 https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=25630.msg227305#msg227305
feel free  to PM me here also
or
give me a call at 808 726 2424.

 

Just posted on FaceBook pages...

Tomi Lahren
The Blaze
Glen Beck
Honolulu Firearms and range
KHON New
Danger Close
Hawaii Reporter
Joe Moore
HRA
Spread the ...... word

Roger that Rock.  From the start I have been feverishly posting from my personal FB page and CCW Hawaii FB page. 

Also using the hash tags #STOPRAPBACK and #CCWHawaii  on Facebook.   This creates links to the posts on both topics. 

Not sure how much attention it has garnished, but I hope it is making a big difference.

Also have paid for ads space with the posting to FB. Set to run a week. 

I need suggestions on how to get the word out to the military members.  They should be more alarmed since they're only temporary residents.  I know there is a lot of restrictions on political and legislative speech on base.

I need suggestions on how to get the word out to the military members.  They should be more alarmed since they're only temporary residents.  I know there is a lot of restrictions on political and legislative speech on base.

there are buy and sell groups on base on FB
maybe you can post something there

     ...but after completing that course (in addition to my already existing certifications) I (as well as other professionals) did not find that it provided adequate handgun education to qualify one for a handgun permit.

This is a tangent to a tangent, but...

1. You support the concept of the government mandating "education" and/or mandating criteria to "qualify" in order to exercise a constitutionally-guaranteed right?
2. You support the concept of needing a permission slip from the government in order to keep and bear arms?
3. Do you support "universal background checks" on all transfers of firearms?
4. Do you support "registration" of all firearms?
5. Do you support the current taxes and paperwork required to own a suppressor and/or rifles and shotguns of certain dimensions or full automatic fire capability?
6. Do you support banning firearms accessories (magazines, etc.) based upon their cosmetic features or numeric capacity?
7. What else?
8. Why?

This is a tangent to a tangent, but...

1. You support the concept of the government mandating "education" and/or mandating criteria to "qualify" in order to exercise a constitutionally-guaranteed right?
2. You support the concept of needing a permission slip from the government in order to keep and bear arms?
3. Do you support "universal background checks" on all transfers of firearms?
4. Do you support "registration" of all firearms?
5. Do you support the current taxes and paperwork required to own a suppressor and/or rifles and shotguns of certain dimensions or full automatic fire capability?
6. Do you support banning firearms accessories (magazines, etc.) based upon their cosmetic features or numeric capacity?
7. What else?
8. Why?

No to all of the above and no idea where you got all that from post but let me try and fix it.
 "...but after completing that course (in addition to my already existing certifications) I (as well as other professionals) did not find that it provided adequate handgun firearm education to qualify one for a to safely handle a handgun permit firearm."

Your "getting the Hawaii Hunter Ed program recognized as a venue for people who completed and passed the course to get their handgun permits" which I will assume you were also an instructor of supported and fell in line with most of the above WHICH IS REQUIRED BY LAW AT THIS TIME , just as my services do.
 

I need suggestions on how to get the word out to the military members.  They should be more alarmed since they're only temporary residents.  I know there is a lot of restrictions on political and legislative speech on base.

Try going thru Military wives/spouse links

Just posted on...
Hawaii army weekly
citydesk@staradvertiser.com   


Try going thru Military wives/spouse links     

I Got a Response to my complaint.

Mr. Roberts,

Thank you for your email. The Honolulu Police Department does not interpret and implement firearms laws, we apply the firearms laws as directed by the State of Hawaii Attorney General's office. On their web site they have a "rap back fact sheet" page. Below is the link.

https://ag.hawaii.gov/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Rap-Back-Facts-Sheet-Final-12-7-16-002.pdf

I suggest any further inquires regarding the application of firearms laws be directed to the Attorney Generals office.

Thank you for your time

Major Richard Robinson

My replywent out swifftly

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Major Robinson,

The linked document again reiterates my original documention that your department is charging $42 to other than new applicants.

● The law authorizes people who register firearms in Hawaii to be entered in the FBI’s Rap Back service database.

"● People who have previously registered firearms in Hawaii will not be entered into Rap Back, unless they want to register an additional firearm in the future."

"● In addition to the $12.00 fee for the FBI background check, a fee of $30.00 will be assessed to all firearm registrants for the State background check. "

Applying for a permit is not a registration and as pointed pointed in my original e-mail, The law states that the fee applicable for a permit is for first time applicants.

You are correct in that the Honolulu Police department does not interpret the law but in this case you seem to think that its appropriate. Your own documentation shows that you are in fact wrong and that the fee is only applicable to new applicants and that rap back enrollment and the fee are applicable, at the time of registration.

Please take the time to re-read the document and get back to me. Next time i am at the station (December 19th to collect me permit) I will also drop of a copy of the constitution, As it appears your may be missing a few sections 


Andrew Namiki Roberts,
Second Amendment Fanatic

I do want to point out  that i believe it is a little inappropriate for a police officer to respond to his own complaint.

I do want to point out  that i believe it is a little inappropriate for a police officer to respond to his own complaint.

I'm sure he is capable of being totally objective and adjudicating his own possible negligence, incompetence or intentional unlawful actions... you know, like Obama, Holder, and BATFE in the case of Fast and Furious.

My replywent out swifftly

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Major Robinson,

The linked document again reiterates my original documention that your department is charging $42 to other than new applicants.

● The law authorizes people who register firearms in Hawaii to be entered in the FBI’s Rap Back service database.

"● People who have previously registered firearms in Hawaii will not be entered into Rap Back, unless they want to register an additional firearm in the future."

"● In addition to the $12.00 fee for the FBI background check, a fee of $30.00 will be assessed to all firearm registrants for the State background check. "

Applying for a permit is not a registration and as pointed pointed in my original e-mail, The law states that the fee applicable for a permit is for first time applicants.

You are correct in that the Honolulu Police department does not interpret the law but in this case you seem to think that its appropriate. Your own documentation shows that you are in fact wrong and that the fee is only applicable to new applicants and that rap back enrollment and the fee are applicable, at the time of registration.

Please take the time to re-read the document and get back to me. Next time i am at the station (December 19th to collect me permit) I will also drop of a copy of the constitution, As it appears your may be missing a few sections 


Andrew Namiki Roberts,
Second Amendment Fanatic

 
Love it.   

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


But you are forced to sign a release....