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Seriously? This guy wants to track us?

Come on oldfart, you know those people are "special"/elites and the rules that apply to you and I don't apply to them... (see: Clinton, Holder, BATFE, Obama...). Now, bend over, the state has a surprise for you.

Come on oldfart, you know those people are "special"/elites and the rules that apply to you and I don't apply to them... (see: Clinton, Holder, BATFE, Obama...). Now, bend over, the state has a surprise for you.

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Of course I know that.
It's just the irony of it all.
Shouldn't all LEO be in rapback? Since they are all in positions of public trust.

Next time I go into JHara, I will donate some.

Thanks London for all your efforts.

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Seriously? This guy wants to track us?

Did he ever find his mailbox?

Did he ever find his mailbox?

It's next to the approved stack of CCW permit paperwork.

It's next to the approved stack of CCW permit paperwork.

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Funds sent. Thanks for the fight.

A lot of people don't realize that in 7 days from Now I could once again lose my 2A rights fighting for all of ours.

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Scorpio and myself are contributing more. I used gofundme earlier, but is PayPal better??

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Scorpio and myself are contributing more. I used gofundme earlier, but is PayPal better??

paypal gift has no fees

Doesn't  the wording "database" conflict directly with the federal FOPA law?

I don't believe FOPA applies here.  It only restricts the AG of the United States from making rules requiring putting gun owners in a federal database...  it doesn't restrict state governments.

Donation made.

Made 1 more donation via PP to stop rapback.  C'mon guys and gals, if you believe in 2A and haven't donated yet, please contribute to the effort.   It affects us all now and in the future.

I don't believe FOPA applies here.  It only restricts the AG of the United States from making rules requiring putting gun owners in a federal database...  it doesn't restrict state governments.

18 USC 926


be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or disposition be established. Nothing in this section expands or restricts the Secretary's authority to inquire into the disposition of any firearm in the course of a criminal investigation.

Just joined and donated.

Just joined and donated.

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Welcome to the forum. Thank you for stepping up to the plate.

paypal gift has no fees

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Investigated the gofundme service.
The fees total about 8%

I discussed this with a shop owner on an outer island. I suggested that I believed rap back was slowing December purchases. Store owner agreed. I wonder how long I can be content with what I own while we wait for litigation. I wish to contribute what I can soon.  Mahalo to London 808 and others active in this forum.

This was one of my earlier points.  The gun shop owners have to get involved at some point and start returning some of their capital towards this effort.  This will hurt the bottom line for them.

Was told today that Big Island will begin RapBack on January 1. 2017.

18 USC 926


be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or disposition be established. Nothing in this section expands or restricts the Secretary's authority to inquire into the disposition of any firearm in the course of a criminal investigation.

You've got to read the whole thing.

(a) The Attorney General may prescribe only such rules and regulations as are necessary to carry out the provisions of this chapter, including—
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(3) regulations providing for effective receipt and secure storage of firearms relinquished by or seized from persons described in subsection (d)(8 ) or (g)(8 ) of section 922.
No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners’ Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or dispositions be established. Nothing in this section expands or restricts the Secretary’s [1] authority to inquire into the disposition of any firearm in the course of a criminal investigation.

Emphasis added.

In the definitions section of this chapter, it defines the Attorney General.

(18) The term “Attorney General” means the Attorney General of the United States

Emphasis added.

So...  The Attorney General of the United States may make no rule or regulation that requires records to be maintained under that chapter to be recorded at or transferred to, etc.

Hawaii's Rapback requirement is neither a rule nor a regulation (it's a statute), and was not made by the Attorney General of the United States (passed by the legislature of the State of Hawaii and signed into law by the Governor), so unless there's some other provision of federal law that specifically restricts state governments, FOPA doesn't apply.

You've got to read the whole thing.
Emphasis added.

In the definitions section of this chapter, it defines the Attorney General.
Emphasis added.

So...  The Attorney General of the United States may make no rule or regulation that requires records to be maintained under that chapter to be recorded at or transferred to, etc.

Hawaii's Rapback requirement is neither a rule nor a regulation (it's a statute), and was not made by the Attorney General of the United States (passed by the legislature of the State of Hawaii and signed into law by the Governor), so unless there's some other provision of federal law that specifically restricts state governments, FOPA doesn't apply.

If i didnt think there was a way to win i wouldent be collecting money for the fight.