Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal) (Read 54906 times)

punaperson

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #100 on: January 18, 2017, 10:22:28 AM »
Keep track of Rep. Scott Nishimoto's CCW proposal.  See previous post.
I'll be keeping track of everything that could possibly restore some of our rights, including the local CCW bills by Senator Gabbard and Representative Nishimoto. No bills have been posted yet (at least not on the official .gov website: http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2017/bills/). I'm curious to see how the Nishimoto bill differs from Gabbard's.

I'd say, as total speculation, that no local/state CCW or open carry bill has even the slightest chance of passage, likely not to get out of committee, and very likely not to even get a hearing in a committee, whereas the Hudson bill in the House of Reps in D.C. has a good chance of passing there, but not so much in the Senate... so we have a better chance in D.C., though all our Hawaii congresspeople will (almost certainly) be adamant opponents.

I'm also working on something at the county level that may or may not ever see the light of day.

RSN172

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #101 on: January 18, 2017, 10:31:52 AM »
I don't think HR38 will have any problem passing in the House of Rep.  It is in the Senate that it might have problems.  If it passes in both, Trump will sign it.  As far as Rep Nishimoto CC proposal, it doesn't have a chance.  Only on a federally mandated level will HI residents be able to CC, at least in my lifetime.
Happily living in Puna

punaperson

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #102 on: January 18, 2017, 10:57:54 AM »
I don't think HR38 will have any problem passing in the House of Rep.  It is in the Senate that it might have problems.  If it passes in both, Trump will sign it.  As far as Rep Nishimoto CC proposal, it doesn't have a chance.  Only on a federally mandated level will HI residents be able to CC, at least in my lifetime.
Or the lifetime of anyone over the age of 2.

changemyoil66

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #103 on: January 18, 2017, 11:20:19 AM »
See attachment for bill.

changemyoil66

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #104 on: January 18, 2017, 11:20:52 AM »
Or the lifetime of anyone over the age of 2.

Talked to Carry Trainer in Indiana.  They thought the same thing about CCW, but it went through.

punaperson

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #105 on: January 18, 2017, 11:23:13 AM »
Talked to Carry Trainer in Indiana.  They thought the same thing about CCW, but it went through.
Was the Indiana state senate 100% Democrats and the state House 93% Democrats at the time?

punaperson

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #106 on: January 18, 2017, 11:37:31 AM »
See attachment for bill.
Wow. Shall issue concealed and open carry. Valid statewide. Five years. $50. Can't beat that. I'm guessing Espero et al. are chucking if not laughing out loud uproariously. The early version of Gabbard's bill is very long and detailed, I believe with the intention of showing that all kinds of "safeguards" are in place to prevent the oft-touted "blood in the streets" and "wild west" idiocy of the civilian disarmament advocates who conveniently ignore that they said the same thing every time any of the 44 states with "shall issue" went that way... and they were 100% wrong... again and again and again...

suka

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #107 on: January 18, 2017, 12:08:34 PM »
Just got off the phone with Gabbard's office in D.C. ((202) 225-4906). After a 90 second wait while the staffer went to find out, was told that re H.R. 38 "she hasn't made her mind up on that yet". I "suggested" that she support it. Then tried calling the "local representative" of her office here on the Big Island but only got the voice mail. Perhaps a few more people could call?  :shaka:

Called in support of HR38

punaperson

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #108 on: January 18, 2017, 12:21:00 PM »
Called in support of HR38
One down, 50,403 more gun owning Hawaii households to go...  :shaka:

changemyoil66

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #109 on: January 18, 2017, 12:43:56 PM »
Was the Indiana state senate 100% Democrats and the state House 93% Democrats at the time?

Don't know, but like I mentioned, they never thought they would be able to CCW in their lifetime.  But it was approved. 

zippz

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #110 on: January 19, 2017, 10:46:01 PM »
I emailed Gabbard's office, I think there's a chance she'll support it due to the fact she was stalked in the past.

Horrifying Threats Against Congresswoman Tied To Obscure Hare Krishna Sect
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/horrifying-threats-against-congresswoman-tied-to-obscure-hare-krishna-sect

Man arrested for threatening to kill Hawaii lawmakers
http://www.staradvertiser.com/2016/09/16/breaking-news/man-in-tennessee-arrested-for-threats-to-gabbard-hirono/
« Last Edit: January 19, 2017, 11:15:12 PM by zippz »

RSN172

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #111 on: January 19, 2017, 11:13:11 PM »
At least he didn't threaten to shoot her, which would have made it worse for the pro gun crowd (us).  The article said his guru was Chris Butler.  Chris lived only about a 1/4 mile from me when we were kids.  Sold him a bicycle.  Better start registering knives since he said he would cut her head off.
Happily living in Puna

punaperson

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #112 on: June 20, 2017, 06:18:37 PM »
Another congressman submits another bill to grant CCW to members of congress. Why would he do that rather than just support HR38 (Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017) which he quickly mentions he is a co-sponsor of? Maybe he's thinking HR38 ain't gonna make it, but a special privilege to exercise a right for congress critters, that's a sure bet?  :wtf:  Since we live in a state where any person bearing a firearm outside their home for self-defense is a criminal and thus subject to arrest, prosecution, fine and incarceration, this issue should be on the radar of all citizens, especially all gun owners who want to take responsibility for their own and their family's safety. Somehow, I don't get the impression it is.

David Codrea sums it all up without mincing words:

Self-Serving Politicians’ Priorities after Scalise Shooting Deserve Strong Gun Owner Response

How is voting in special benefits for themselves first, while the rest of us are left in legislative limbo, consistent with securing “the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity”?

http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2017/06/self-serving-politicians-priorities.html

That the bill [HR38] is currently assigned a 2% prognosis for passage suggests this may once again be placating noisemaking and much ado about nothing: similar efforts have been attempted many times over the years.

That said, such legislative sausage-making is not completely without effect: It reaffirms the acceptance of government-issued “permits” to exercise rights and the undelegated power of government to bestow such approvals in the first place. The point is, if this Congress can pass a bill to “give” rights (and those quotation marks are intentional), a subsequent legislature can pass one to take them away.  As the Supreme Court noted in Heller, reaffirming the opinion in Cruikshank:

“[t]his is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The Second amendment declares that it shall not be infringed … .”

rklapp

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #113 on: June 20, 2017, 06:37:54 PM »
I had to google it.


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RSN172

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #114 on: June 21, 2017, 06:06:48 AM »
Is that legal in Hawaii?
Happily living in Puna

macsak

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #115 on: June 21, 2017, 06:29:24 AM »
Is that legal in Hawaii?
As long as barrel length over 16.5 inches, I believe


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changemyoil66

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #116 on: June 21, 2017, 09:08:59 AM »
I had to google it.



If the bat was a scary black color, then it would be a no go.

punaperson

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #117 on: June 21, 2017, 09:36:52 AM »
Is that legal in Hawaii?
If during a routine traffic stop a LEO observes that in your vehicle you will be in serious trouble unless you can prove that you are traveling to or from a range, a hunting area, or a baseball game.

punaperson

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #118 on: July 20, 2017, 10:05:39 AM »
Chance to sign a petition requesting the White House to take action on HR 38. 100,000 signatures gets a response from the White House, which I suspect, based on what Trump has said all along, and including a couple of days ago on the issue: "Hells, yes!" Started two days ago: "Needs 95,142 signatures by August 17, 2017 to get a response from the White House".

WE THE PEOPLE ASK THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO CALL ON CONGRESS TO ACT ON AN ISSUE:

National Reciprocity for the Nation's 17 Million Concealed Handgun Permit Holders!

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/national-reciprocity-nations-17-million-concealed-handgun-permit-holders

changemyoil66

Re: Hudson Bill (CCW reciprocal)
« Reply #119 on: July 20, 2017, 12:55:29 PM »
If during a routine traffic stop a LEO observes that in your vehicle you will be in serious trouble unless you can prove that you are traveling to or from a range, a hunting area, or a baseball game.

Or bat fixer or baseball convention.  Would be screwed if on the way to a soccer game or during football season.