I was reading the post about how the fireworks ban came into effect. Testimony from about 70 people in favor of the gun ban. Our traditional method seems to have been hoping a state rep would propose a law and we would tell people to call and hope for the best.

But what if instead, we tried to get a hearing of some sort and brought dozens of people to testify? Our favorite elected official has said that he would give us an audience if we requested it. We sort of hijacked his last one which was great but we could get our own and bring a lot of people to show how many of us there are. This way we have an uninterrupted chance to push our requests and information. Get gun owners, gun store owners, policemen in favor of the second amendment, etc. to testify.

We could come up with a handful of proposals to address certain issues. I have my own idea on how to modify the permit to purchase system that wouldn't really change anything about who can get guns but it would make it easier than the current permit to purchase system. I can explain the details if anyone is interested. We could also look to have CCW modified to make it a realistic law. We could talk rap back, mag limits, etc. We should probably limit it to 3 or 4 issues though.

Thoughts?

I agree with London.  Nothing is going to change without litigation.  NO politician would be willing to risk their career to expand gun rights - that's just the reality of it.

Either way I am stubborn enough to try but I don't know much about citizen sponsored initiatives.

Maybe true but if we accept that attitude we have already lost.

Either way I am stubborn enough to try but I don't know much about citizen sponsored initiatives.

Then what legal options exist beyond sitting with our fingers crossed that the 9th circuit doesn't shut down our arguments? Waiting of republicans to have more children than democrats isn't fast enough.

How many lawsuits have you filled ? How many lawyers have you contacted ?

None. I am looking at options outside the court system.

That no can attitude is exactly why we continue to lose. Wallowing in our defeat defines us.

None. I am looking at options outside the court system.

Fact as I see it is not that many people care.

What are we talking about?
CCW ?
Standard cap mags for pistols?
No waiting period for permits?

Not that many people in the firearms community care.
See how many people show up for the annual Shooting Fair?
Tons.

But most don't care about the above.
Not enough to get involved anyway.

No more Rapback?
Dozens of guys already in the system.
Don't really care.

Last Capitol rally on opening day had 12 guys.

Legal action is the new political action.
Because it can be done with a small minority of folks who care. (And have the law and Constitution on their side)

Soap box : we speak but no one listens
Ballet box : we vote but no one listens
Jury box :
Ammo box :

We are at stage 3, people need to get involved, the courts need to hear us b cause at stage 4 there is no one left to listen