My next reload adventure/misadventure (Read 127622 times)

ren

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #160 on: January 14, 2018, 08:15:28 PM »
Why are you insulting me?

How can I insult yo by comparing you to Barbara Streisand? Despite her liberalness she's a great singer and won Grammys
Deeds Not Words

Flapp_Jackson

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #161 on: January 14, 2018, 08:24:12 PM »
How can I insult yo by comparing you to Barbara Streisand? Despite her liberalness she's a great singer and won Grammys

She also hates Trump.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

rklapp

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #162 on: January 14, 2018, 08:27:30 PM »
Ugh, I hate her (except for What's Up Doc?)

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ren

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #163 on: January 14, 2018, 10:01:01 PM »
alright here ya go...
I'll call you Krazy-Klapp
along the style of Eazy-E



Deeds Not Words

Flapp_Jackson

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #164 on: January 14, 2018, 10:06:48 PM »
alright here ya go...
I'll call you Krazy-Klapp
along the style of Eazy-E


I always heard the klapp was bad.  I can't imagine how much worse krazy-klapp could be!   :crazy:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

rklapp

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #165 on: January 15, 2018, 09:50:43 AM »
That's juvenile...
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ren

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #166 on: January 15, 2018, 11:50:31 AM »
Deeds Not Words

Flapp_Jackson

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #167 on: January 15, 2018, 11:58:34 AM »
That's juvenile...

You're the expert on juvenile, Mr. Peanut Gallery who posts on every thread.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Heavies

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #168 on: January 15, 2018, 12:12:41 PM »
 :stopjack: :wtf:

rklapp

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #169 on: January 15, 2018, 06:31:05 PM »
You're the expert on juvenile, Mr. Peanut Gallery who posts on every thread.
That's calling the kettle black...

The problem with this forum is that there isn't enough talk about firearms. I appreciate the political discussion but how often do people actually talk about going to the range or tournament or whatever related to actually firing a weapon? Not enough in my opinion. Instead you have to go on my thread and insult me. Get a life! I periodically insult politicians like Trump or Pelosi but that's what they're paid for. I sometimes troll you but I don't insult you personally so grow up.

Earlier today, I tried to support you with your listing for the ultrasonic cleaner by also stating that it works well with cleaning brass. You actually Liked my post. Then you go on my post to complain that I post on every thread. Are you schizophrenic? This is not an insult to you but a genuine concern for your mental well being.
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ren

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #170 on: January 15, 2018, 06:49:39 PM »
I agree Rklapp. This thread of yours is entertaining but there are times when its painful to watch as there are steps you miss or needlessly labor over. At least you are safe and never experienced an event.
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rklapp

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #171 on: January 15, 2018, 07:04:50 PM »
I appreciate your advice (as long as it's a cheap fix). I haven't moved my scope forward but I raised it up to keep my head straighter and I'm using a rear bag that I bought off a forum member. Most of the advice I get comes from YouTubers with a Kentucky accent.

Also, I did buy the World's Finest Trimmer for the .223 I was having issues with.
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drck1000

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #172 on: January 15, 2018, 07:15:03 PM »

The problem with this forum is that there isn't enough talk about firearms. I appreciate the political discussion but how often do people actually talk about going to the range or tournament or whatever related to actually firing a weapon? Not enough in my opinion.
I tend to agree there. However, with firearms, it’s rare to have much new to talk about that hasn’t been done before. Lots of things get rehashed to newer shooters or those new to the forum. I dont mind at all, but there are often those who tend to be short on such topics as they tend to have been beaten to death. Like the 9 vs 45, AR vs AK, is 22 lr enough for defense, etc.

I don’t reload, so I can’t help you much. Don’t take this the wrong way, but it was frustrating helping you in the threads that I could help since you tend to want to do things your way and they tend to be one where you learn the hard way. Lots of folks try to help, but you do your own thing, many times in spite of the good feedback. Which is perfectly fine. As ren said, as long as you’re safe, that’s the main thing. I do see that you truly enjoy the experience and it takes a lot to share your experiences, especially when they open yourself up to criticism. I applaud your efforts, but it is often painful to watch at times.

I truly enjoy shooting. I enjoy discussing shooting, but there comes a point where there aren’t much to discuss. I was staff on another national gun board that went to shit because of political discussion. 

rklapp

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #173 on: January 15, 2018, 07:30:56 PM »
Thanks d1k.

Wait until you see the AR-15 upper I put together with the free barrel that Bear Creek Arsenal sent me and parts I bought from Dexter.
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Bushido

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #174 on: January 15, 2018, 08:30:57 PM »
I agree Rklapp. This thread of yours is entertaining but there are times when its painful to watch as there are steps you miss or needlessly labor over. At least you are safe and never experienced an event.

I agree with this. Early on I noticed some were giving good advice that wasn't taken or followed. It really is your thread and your experiences to post. Your goals may not be what others may be working towards. Lately it's been entertaining.  ;D ;D ;D

I will say I don't quite grasp the max and mean thing. I don't believe in "fliers". My thought is way too many shooters blame fliers but most of the time it's the shooter that caused the errant shot and not the ammo or gun. 

Bushido

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #175 on: January 15, 2018, 08:36:47 PM »

I don’t reload, so I can’t help you much. Don’t take this the wrong way, but it was frustrating helping you in the threads that I could help since you tend to want to do things your way and they tend to be one where you learn the hard way. Lots of folks try to help, but you do your own thing, many times in spite of the good feedback. Which is perfectly fine. As ren said, as long as you’re safe, that’s the main thing. I do see that you truly enjoy the experience and it takes a lot to share your experiences, especially when they open yourself up to criticism. I applaud your efforts, but it is often painful to watch at times.

In my experience, there are many that ask for help and do exactly the opposite of what you tell them. It happens in all aspects of my life. I too just take it as some just got to learn the hard way.

rklapp

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #176 on: January 15, 2018, 10:28:22 PM »
I agree with this. Early on I noticed some were giving good advice that wasn't taken or followed. It really is your thread and your experiences to post. Your goals may not be what others may be working towards. Lately it's been entertaining.  ;D ;D ;D
I will say I don't quite grasp the max and mean thing. I don't believe in "fliers". My thought is way too many shooters blame fliers but most of the time it's the shooter that caused the errant shot and not the ammo or gun.
Thanks Bushido. My goal is to figure out which load worked best that day with that powder and that bullet, then decide where to "adventure" next. I use the max and mean to help me decide. When I'm not reloading, I'm usually reviewing my past results or watching reloading porn on YT.

I admit that most of the flyers are my fault, probably because I pulled. I try to be consistent with each load. Sometimes the load is just crap with crap velocity SD. Like someone said (may have been you), all of this has already been published in various books and websites. It's the discovery I'm looking for.
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rklapp

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #177 on: January 15, 2018, 11:30:41 PM »
Happy Martin Luther King Day everyone. I took advantage of the open range and school holiday to avoid the highway traffic through Honolulu. The only traffic I hit was going up the hill to Hanauma Bay at 1 pm and through Hawaii Kai after 4 pm. The rest of the drive was smooth. I tried to get out there earlier and meet up with Oldfart but got stuck at work. I’m really pleased with the chrono and the water jug trick. I’m getting really good at setting up my target and the chrono during the break.

300BLK: First time with the new Weaver scope. I zerod the scope with H110 and some hot CFEBLK. This is a continuation of the load I initially ran on November 4th. My first load was supersonic CFEBLK with the 13.7gr grouping best and decent SD. The velocities are also not far off from the published FPS. I know I pulled the one to the upper left, so I left it out of the group.



The subsonics were a mess with the 11gr kinda grouping and a 954fps with a 14 SD. I probably won’t try these Noslers again at subsonic, but it was fun to hear the rounds go p-ting!

AR: I think something’s wrong with the Vortex scope. I have to turn the parallax between 25 and 50 yards to see the 100 yard clearly. When I shot a 5 round group, the fifth one was blurry but cleared up with the next group. The Vortex rep said it’s probably heat waves, so I shot three groups of three this time and I took off the sunshade. The problem became progressively worse and could be corrected by adjusting the parallax up or down. I don’t believe its heat coming off the barrel.

I was able to exceed the 3200fps with the H335 like I was able to previously with the TAC. I wish I had the steel targets to hit, but I’m trying to reimagine what I want to do with the steel. The TAC loads were a bit of a mess with awful velocity SD. The best group was with the lowest 22.5gr using the new Nosler 70gr RDF bullets I bought. It appears I went too hot with this load. 





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oldfart

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #178 on: January 15, 2018, 11:49:41 PM »
RK--
You are presenting a lot of information in this thread.
Way more than I, or most people here can ingest. I think you should have a completely separate website for all this.
I think there may be a lot of people outside of this venue that would find it useful.
What, Me Worry?

TooFewPews

Re: My next reload adventure/misadventure
« Reply #179 on: January 16, 2018, 08:39:27 AM »
6.5 Creedmoor: I was anxious to try the new IMR4350 and Superformance powders I obtained. I started each with mid-load rounds to check the zero using the new Nosler 140gr RDF and the last of the Hornady ELD-M. With the I4350, the velocity SD was mostly great. The Hornady velocities were about 150fps slower than the manual says which matches my previous results. The Nosler velocities were about 60fps slower than the manual. The I4350 39.0gr with the Nosler 140gr RDF grouped best with a 6 SD so I’ll try between 38.5 and 39.5 gr next time.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/Z9UF1OM.jpg[/img

Nosler doesn’t have load data for Superformance but Hornady does. The zero shots with the Superformance 42gr had an awesome 0.695 MOA group. The velocity SD were bad for all of the shots, and each group had an annoying tendency to have one flyer for each 5 round group which can be seen in the disparity between the Mean Radius and Extreme Spread measurements. I’ll try again between 41.5 and 42.5 gr with the Nosler 140gr RDF.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/YfuqXcz.jpg[/img



why did you go from shooting 20-round groups to 5-round groups?  i thought you said that you believed 20-round groups to be superior.  your choice to switch seems a little arbitrary.




Yes, generally that's what happens except I shoot groups of 20 instead of 3 to 5. Just my preference. If I did it the way you mention, my trip to the range would last 30 minutes and that's no fun. I do give it a short break in between loading the next 5 round set, but I admit that I tend to rush things when I'm having fun. I'd say my quest is to discover what works best so I can decide what to try next time.

I'm not most people. If you shoot 3 rounds of 10 loads, then each load is an average. I shoot 20 rounds of 5 loads because I don't care, so I use the average MOA.

Here's why I don't shoot small groups to measure accuracy. http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/12/daniel-zimmerman/understanding-rifle-precision/

In order to shoot sub MOA, 95% of the shots (19 out of 20) have to fit within a 1.05" diameter circle at 100 yards (defined as 1 MOA). The 95% group is two standard deviations from the mean.  In order to accomplish this, the mean radius of the shots has to be within 0.27" from the group center. For extreme spread, a 3 shot group needs to be within 0.48" distance apart to be 1 MOA but statistically, a 10 shot group is more precise and reproducible than a 3 or 5 shot group. The smaller groups are useful for OCW determination to discount fouling and heat.