Honolulu Next Mayor Race (Read 19623 times)

DonRow

Honolulu Next Mayor Race
« on: January 19, 2012, 03:18:35 PM »
So I heard on KIKI that Ben Cyatano (how the hell do you spell his last name, aa who cares) so anyways he said he's coming out of retirement and running for honolulu mayor, damn that sucks for Oahu. guys like this should just stay in there retirement home eating there jello.

bass monkey

Re: Honolulu Next Mayor Race
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2012, 04:08:20 PM »
Ben said he coming out cause he's against rail and that's his "selling line" I guess.

DonRow

Honolulu Next Mayor Race
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2012, 04:27:18 PM »
Yeah I heard that one. I think he's coming out cause he like make chicken fight legal. :) no it no joke I feel bad for Oahu. :/

HiCarry

Re: Honolulu Next Mayor Race
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2012, 04:59:13 PM »
Of the three likely Mayoral candidates, Uncle Ben, Kirk Caldwell, and incumbent Peter Carlisle, Mr. Caldwell is the clear favorite for gun rights advocates. Let's hope he gets into office....

GZire

Re: Honolulu Next Mayor Race
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2012, 02:17:20 PM »
Based on the Rail platform, I'd vote Ben.  IMHO Caldwell had the time and opportunity to make changes and he failed to act.  I will never vote for him.

42itus

Re: Honolulu Next Mayor Race
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2012, 11:08:46 PM »
Based on the Rail platform, I'd vote Ben.  IMHO Caldwell had the time and opportunity to make changes and he failed to act.  I will never vote for him.

I'm with you.  Carlisle and Caldwell both had a chance to make something happen but didn't.

Heavies

Re: Honolulu Next Mayor Race
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2012, 03:34:18 AM »
What is Ben's stance on guns? 
What was his shortcomings as governor?

I'll ask and get back with his responses...

Kingkeoni

Re: Honolulu Next Mayor Race
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2012, 08:01:24 AM »
What is Ben's stance on guns? 
What was his shortcomings as governor?

I'll ask and get back with his responses...

I don't know/remember his voting record but I've seen him in Security Equipment.

He was asking about transferring a gun to his son.
Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

HiCarry

Re: Honolulu Next Mayor Race
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2012, 12:10:51 PM »
What is Ben's stance on guns? 
What was his shortcomings as governor?

I'll ask and get back with his responses...
In 2000, then Governor Cayetrano, who professed to be a "gun owner" went on record as supporting yearly re-registration and allowing ammo sales only to individuals who had firearms registed in that caliber.

I suspect that he is one of those "OK for me, but not for thee" elitist gun owners....remember, there are Chicago Aldermen that "own guns" too. They were the ones that thought yearly re-registration was OK for the "common folks" of Chicago, but when they "forgot" to register their guns, they voted to allow them an exemption. So, vote for Cayetano based on his rail stance and we'll likely get yet another anti-gun politician. On the other hand, we know Caldwell is pro-gun and is a shooter.....at least in terms of electing a pro-gun candidate, Caldwell is the better choice.

http://archives.starbulletin.com/2000/02/15/news/story6.html

Dregs

Re: Honolulu Next Mayor Race
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2012, 12:49:14 PM »
^^ Is the "Hawaii Firearms Coalition" still in existence?

GZire

Re: Honolulu Next Mayor Race
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2012, 09:52:35 AM »
In 2000, then Governor Cayetrano, who professed to be a "gun owner" went on record as supporting yearly re-registration and allowing ammo sales only to individuals who had firearms registed in that caliber.

I suspect that he is one of those "OK for me, but not for thee" elitist gun owners....remember, there are Chicago Aldermen that "own guns" too. They were the ones that thought yearly re-registration was OK for the "common folks" of Chicago, but when they "forgot" to register their guns, they voted to allow them an exemption. So, vote for Cayetano based on his rail stance and we'll likely get yet another anti-gun politician. On the other hand, we know Caldwell is pro-gun and is a shooter.....at least in terms of electing a pro-gun candidate, Caldwell is the better choice.

http://archives.starbulletin.com/2000/02/15/news/story6.html

Is Caldwell really pro gun?  Lets not forget that he was City Manager under Mufi and after Mufi the Mayor.  Did Caldwell do anything when in office?  I can't remember anything.

Dblnaknak

Re: Honolulu Next Mayor Race
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2012, 10:11:26 AM »
Cayetano is a fricken idiot. He sucked as a governor and now he's going to run for mayor just because he doesn't like the rail idea? Sound like another personal agenda to me. Id rather see bu'laia run for mayor then cayetano.  :shaka: I've ridden forms of the rail all over the world. Once the main line is connected to the transfer stations it would be beneficial to the island. Hawaii people are so afraid of change. That's probably the reason why we can't get concealed carry permits. Paranoia.  :shake:

DonRow

Honolulu Next Mayor Race
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2012, 10:22:52 AM »
BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

Bula'ia I haven't heard that name in awhile.

GZire

Re: Honolulu Next Mayor Race
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2012, 11:43:37 AM »
Cayetano is a fricken idiot. He sucked as a governor and now he's going to run for mayor just because he doesn't like the rail idea? Sound like another personal agenda to me. Id rather see bu'laia run for mayor then cayetano.  :shaka: I've ridden forms of the rail all over the world. Once the main line is connected to the transfer stations it would be beneficial to the island. Hawaii people are so afraid of change. That's probably the reason why we can't get concealed carry permits. Paranoia.  :shake:

Let's review some facts of RAIL.  Originally Mufi promised RAIL would be $3B, others said it would be $5B.  We are currently projecting potentially into the $6B range.  In order for RAIL to have been approved to even move forward Mufi had to secure the vote from the Salt Lake folks with the guarantee that the RAIL would run through Salt Lake and not bypass them.  This turned out to be a lie.  As we now know the Salt Lake contingent got the shaft and are now bypassed.  The C&C for at least a year held onto a routing that they knew was too close to the runway approach for HNL International Airport.  The rerouting cost the C&C (that means you and me) $125M and lost momentum for the project.  Am I not supposed to assume that this was a political handout to the designers by the Hanneman Administration?  Unless you've forgotten the C&C lied and said they did not know anything about it, but later records clearly indicated otherwise.

Now with regards to the "main line" get connected to transfer stations?  There are no transfer stations, there is a single line running into town that's it.  No spurs out to other communities at this time.  The RAIL is being built from Kapolei into town.  The RAIL riders cannot hit downtown until the entire line is completed.  Instead of building from downtown outwards the construction is slated to go in the other direction.........stupid.  Any proposed RAIL spur to UH is not even on the horizon and there is absolutely no money to build it.  Heck there is not enough money to build the current RAIL. 

Now let's take a look at the RAIL stations themselves.  You need to condemn land and kick people out to build the stations, the parking lots (yes there will need to be parking lots at the stations), and rerouted The Bus to service the stations and implement new routes.  So.........the morning commuter catches The Bus to the station, waits at the station, gets let off somewhere outside of downtown Honolulu (until say 10 - 13 years from now), then catches another Bus to work?  Does that make sense?  It doesn't to me.  Even when the RAIL is completed you catch a Bus, get on a train, get on a Bus and repeat on the way back.


All this talk of RAIL and no one in the current administration or the former Hanneman Administration is talking about mandated changes to the current sewer system on Oahu.  These changes are at least in the $3B mark.........yes that's right just as much as the RAIL was to originally cost.  There is no money for those repairs.



Now why GZ should we listen to you?  Well I have a BSc in Civil Engineering, I work in the construction industry (yes I'm in construction and don't want RAIL and am not alone) and have nearly 20 years in, and finally I've read the RAIL plan and proposed alternate plan.  Nothing from my schooling to experience say that RAIL has ever been a good idea. 

We're currently into the construction guys and systems people for some serious money, but that doesn't mean we should continue to throw away money and money that we don't even have.

Dblnaknak

Re: Honolulu Next Mayor Race
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2012, 12:20:57 PM »
I agree that we don't have any money. I also agree that mufi lied and the cc covered it up. Then again we elected mufi as mayor knowing that he was a lemon. Just like how we elected abercrombie, and how most people will buy in to cayetanos campaign lies. I still think the rail is a good idea. All rail systems in the US and in Europe still utilize the bus system. The rail system by passes heavy traffic areas and provides faster service because it only stops at stations. No stop lights, no traffic. The bus service would then be more effective as a result. 

Everyone is only concerned with instant gratification. Their most common complaint is I don't live in an area that the rail is proposed so I'm against it. There is a huge UH campus being built right now in kapolei. Can you imagine what traffic will be like in 10 years being that there is only one 3 lane highway going in and out of that area from town. The majority of the islands population live on the west side. (pearl city to waianae)

I agree that the sewer system is screwed. I feel you can blame the zoning committee for that. They are converting land zoned for agriculture to land zoned for housing development. Then the city is approving housing developments in these areas that the current infrastructure cannot support. Why? Guess who pays for these politicans campaigns. Again, quid pro quo, rears its ugly head. So what can we do? Nothing? Everything?

How about this idea. A politician proposes what I call the good faith bill. When elected, a politician must fulfill his or her campaign promises with in their elected term. If they don't come thru with their promise they are ineligable for another term. WOW!!! Getting them to do what they promised, now that's epic.

DonRow

Honolulu Next Mayor Race
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2012, 01:09:47 PM »
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I like this guy..

GZire

Re: Honolulu Next Mayor Race
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2012, 01:46:02 PM »
I agree that we don't have any money. I also agree that mufi lied and the cc covered it up. Then again we elected mufi as mayor knowing that he was a lemon. Just like how we elected abercrombie, and how most people will buy in to cayetanos campaign lies. I still think the rail is a good idea. All rail systems in the US and in Europe still utilize the bus system. The rail system by passes heavy traffic areas and provides faster service because it only stops at stations. No stop lights, no traffic. The bus service would then be more effective as a result. 

Everyone is only concerned with instant gratification. Their most common complaint is I don't live in an area that the rail is proposed so I'm against it. There is a huge UH campus being built right now in kapolei. Can you imagine what traffic will be like in 10 years being that there is only one 3 lane highway going in and out of that area from town. The majority of the islands population live on the west side. (pearl city to waianae)

I agree that the sewer system is screwed. I feel you can blame the zoning committee for that. They are converting land zoned for agriculture to land zoned for housing development. Then the city is approving housing developments in these areas that the current infrastructure cannot support. Why? Guess who pays for these politicans campaigns. Again, quid pro quo, rears its ugly head. So what can we do? Nothing? Everything?

How about this idea. A politician proposes what I call the good faith bill. When elected, a politician must fulfill his or her campaign promises with in their elected term. If they don't come thru with their promise they are ineligable for another term. WOW!!! Getting them to do what they promised, now that's epic.

What you are describing is the difference between a mass transit system and a rapid transit system.  A rapid transit system being further defined by exclusive use lanes/roadways (doesn't always consider traffic lights/off grade travel).  The alternate proposed plan amongst other things addresses this item and proposes expanded BRT or Bus Rapid Transit lanes.  These lanes were/are incorporated in Waikiki.  If you consider an elevated toll roadway which allows Bus travel, expanded BRT lanes, off grade interchanges/intersections, then you get at the heart of what the proposed alternative is.

Keep in mind that construction of this system could go into effect sooner (still) than RAIL and you can immediately help those areas where spurs would be proposed such as UH.  All the equipment is available on island or in country with no further need to hire specific skilled labor for repairs to the system, running the system, an additional transit authority/security force, etc.  Utilization of the Aloha Stadium parking lot would also be a revenue boost for the C&C/State whereas there is none at this time unless you have a sporting event.

There are better alternatives out there than RAIL.

HiCarry

Re: Honolulu Next Mayor Race
« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2012, 09:17:16 AM »
Is Caldwell really pro gun?  Lets not forget that he was City Manager under Mufi and after Mufi the Mayor.  Did Caldwell do anything when in office?  I can't remember anything.
Yes, he is pro-gun....and he was only in office a couple of months when Mufi stepped down. In that short time he tried to get improvements to the range and wanted to start shooting. He was legit in terms of his pro-gun stance.

Dregs

Re: Honolulu Next Mayor Race
« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2012, 09:27:57 AM »
I'm still pissed off about the superferry debacle, and I see this whole rail situation dancing to a similar tune.



HAWAII, Y U NO LIKE CHANGE?!?

Kingkeoni

Re: Honolulu Next Mayor Race
« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2012, 12:23:02 PM »
I'm still pissed off about the superferry debacle, and I see this whole rail situation dancing to a similar tune.



HAWAII, Y U NO LIKE CHANGE?!?

That picture looks like a guy I went to school with.
  :rofl:
Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.