Wanna make commie comparisons? How about 6 million people under 'correctional supervision'? That's more than they heyday of Stalin's gulag. The current solutions are not working and are making the problem even worse.

Then on top of that the prison industrial complex has to make itself more profitable to appeal to share holders, so they are forced to cut corners and put people in terrible conditions that teach them how to be, you guessed it, more ruthless and efficient criminals.

Also keep in mind I give my democrat friends a lot of grief as well, especially for unwavering support of Obama the warmonger. The reason I said Republicans instead of Conservatives is there is nothing conservative about Republicans these days. The founding fathers didn't come up with today's twisted party platform, a bunch of psychopaths did.

Quote from: Funtimes on January 24, 2012, 10:41:26 PM

First of all, I'm not a republican.  Secondly, I while I have not worked in the prison, I do have a fair academic knowledge of the subject considering I am in my last semesters of a criminal justice major that focused on prisons and security.

As far as tougher laws go, people could stop doing drugs. It's not that hard - just don't do it. Private prisons do a better job with less money than a normal facility.

Impossible!  No for-profit venture is capable of topping the altruism and benevolent efficiency of the State!

Private prisons do a great job up until the point the inmates take the yard and burn the place down, leaving the Feds to clean up the mess, I missed this one by a matter of months...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,486344,00.html

Alcatraz was over run? Lots of government prisons have been over run, its what happens when you are not hard enough on the people or you slip up in your security.

[color =red]Alcatraz was over run?[/color] Lots of government prisons have been over run, its what happens when you are not hard enough on the people or you slip up in your security.

Did you even read my post or the link it referenced?  The rest of  your statement, you know from experience?  Im gonna give you a chance to brush up on your BOP history before we go down this road...

 Your post insinuates that the work private prisons do is some how sub-par to what Federal BOP does.  Even the Feds have been over-run, had their prisons shut down, burned, and rioted in.

Here's a question that I want to pose to both sides; What is the purpose of prisons?  I don't mean the obvious 'To hold prisoners' response but more along the lines of what the end goal is.

Here's a question that I want to pose to both sides; What is the purpose of prisons?  I don't mean the obvious 'To hold prisoners' response but more along the lines of what the end goal is.

Deter crime, for a person to retribute for the crimes they committed, and rehab.  The other purpose (which I forgot for a second) is to incapacitate (i.e., we will have some people we just can't fix - they are crazy -- they want to kill.  We need to remove them from the streets because it is viable threat to society and the well being of others or themselves).

However, the last one is becoming increasingly hard to manage because of money and politics. It's hard to rehab when funding is cut, because rehab takes teachers, instructors, therapists etc.

The purpose is to institutionalize people, same as school. You make people think and act and speak the same way so that they are completely dependent on the system, and it makes them much easier to control. Check out videos about Stanford prison experiment. The freaky part is that DOJ people are so heavily influenced by the culture that they don't realize they are institutionalized, influenced, and controlled just as much as the suspects and inmates they are in charge of.

The purpose is to institutionalize people, same as school. You make people think and act and speak the same way so that they are completely dependent on the system, and it makes them much easier to control. Check out videos about Stanford prison experiment. The freaky part is that DOJ people are so heavily influenced by the culture that they don't realize they are institutionalized, influenced, and controlled just as much as the suspects and inmates they are in charge of.

So what penalty should society impose on rapists or murderers? 

Quote from: hvybarrels on January 26, 2012, 11:45:24 PM

The purpose is to institutionalize people, same as school. You make people think and act and speak the same way so that they are completely dependent on the system, and it makes them much easier to control. Check out videos about Stanford prison experiment. The freaky part is that DOJ people are so heavily influenced by the culture that they don't realize they are institutionalized, influenced, and controlled just as much as the suspects and inmates they are in charge of.

So what penalty should society impose on rapists or murderers?

If I were in charge of this decision, cold blooded murderers would get the death penalty.

Rapists of children would get 1/2 hour tied in a room with the victims family.

Rapists of adults would be castrated.

I'm talking about real rape, not the bullshit date rape, because some girl is mad you didn't call her the next day, crap.

Quote from: Cougar8045 on January 27, 2012, 04:55:37 AM

Quote from: hvybarrels on January 26, 2012, 11:45:24 PM

The purpose is to institutionalize people, same as school. You make people think and act and speak the same way so that they are completely dependent on the system, and it makes them much easier to control. Check out videos about Stanford prison experiment. The freaky part is that DOJ people are so heavily influenced by the culture that they don't realize they are institutionalized, influenced, and controlled just as much as the suspects and inmates they are in charge of.

So what penalty should society impose on rapists or murderers?

If I were in charge of this decision, cold blooded murderers would get the death penalty.

Rapists of children would get 1/2 hour tied in a room with the victims family.

Rapists of adults would be castrated.

I'm talking about real rape, not the bullshit date rape, because some girl is mad you didn't call her the next day, crap.

BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHH

Quote from: Cougar8045 on January 27, 2012, 04:55:37 AM

Quote from: hvybarrels on January 26, 2012, 11:45:24 PM

The purpose is to institutionalize people, same as school. You make people think and act and speak the same way so that they are completely dependent on the system, and it makes them much easier to control. Check out videos about Stanford prison experiment. The freaky part is that DOJ people are so heavily influenced by the culture that they don't realize they are institutionalized, influenced, and controlled just as much as the suspects and inmates they are in charge of.

So what penalty should society impose on rapists or murderers?

If I were in charge of this decision, cold blooded murderers would get the death penalty.

Rapists of children would get 1/2 hour tied in a room with the victims family.

Rapists of adults would be castrated.

I'm talking about real rape, not the bullshit date rape, because some girl is mad you didn't call her the next day, crap.

I second the gentleman's motion.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s top lawyer disbarred, facing criminal charges

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/10/sheriff-joe-arpaios-top-lawyer-facing-disbarment/

They were Republican Arizona’s golden boys, the plain-spoken, get-tough sheriff and his legal and political foil, Sheriff Joe Arpaio and attorney Andrew Thomas. According to a post at Talking Points Memo, Thomas “might have had a bright career in Arizona politics,” but instead is today facing disbarment, criminal charges and professional disgrace.

In his six-year reign as Maricopa County’s top prosecutor, Thomas and Sheriff Arpaio went on a legal rampage against their perceived political enemies, drumming up and pursuing criminal charges that they knew were false, charges that rarely held up under scrutiny. As a result, say investigators, Thomas “undermined the public trust and inflicted great damage to the system of justice. The only way to restore that trust and to repair the damage to the system is to disbar Thomas.”

After both men were reelected to their positions in 2008, they escalated what had been a policy of ongoing political infighting and elevated it to a crusade, using the sheriff’s office to file spurious criminal charges against their political enemies, including the 14 public officials who made up the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors.

However, none of the charges stuck. Often, Arpaio and Thomas failed to provide evidence that they had promised the court. In other instances, the statutes of limitations had long expired on the alleged misdeeds.

Investigators say that Thomas and Aubuchon knew that the cases they were pursuing were bogus, but pressed ahead anyway, hoping to muddy the waters enough to permanently damage their opponents’ reputations. Investigators have labeled this practice perjury, and as such punishable by the termination of their licenses to practice law.

UPDATE (12:22pm): According to the Phoenix New Times’ “Valley Fever” blog, the disciplinary panel at the Arizona State Supreme Court has disbarred Andrew Thomas, Lisa Aubuchon and Rachel Alexander. Some charges were dismissed, but the panel found “clear and compelling evidence” that Thomas and his aides had abused their prosecutorial powers when pursuing charges against members of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors as well as multiple political enemies.

The charges, said the board, were not filed in pursuit of justice, but to embarrass and inconvenience their opponents. Thomas and Aubuchon were also found to have been uncooperative and deceitful in the process of the investigation.

 

And the Department of Justice files suit.  Time for a bunch of folks to eat their hats.....

http://www.justice.gov/iso/opa/resources/46420125101544060757.pdf

 

And the Department of Justice files suit.

That's it!!!  Sheriff Joe MUST be guilty if the DOJ files suit.   

Isn't there a way citizens can fire holder?

I can't wait to fire Obama. And the rest of his cohorts.

How about you?

That's it!!!  Sheriff Joe MUST be guilty if the DOJ files suit.   

And everyone Sheriff Joe's deputies arrest must be guilty of a capital offence.

Civilization is based on a clearly defined and widely accepted yet often
unarticulated hierarchy. Violence done by those higher on the hierarchy
to those lower is nearly always invisible, that is, unnoticed. When it is
noticed, it is fully rationalized. Violence done by those lower on the
hierarchy to those higher is unthinkable, and when it does occur is
regarded with shock, horror, and the fetishization of the victims.

                                                                                                    Derrik Jensen

And time for Sheriff Joe haters to eat crow:

Government shuts probe of controversial Arizona sheriff, no charges filed

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/01/us-usa-arizona-arpaio-idUSBRE88000F20120901

oops.............

And the Department of Justice files suit.  Time for a bunch of folks to eat their hats.....

http://www.justice.gov/iso/opa/resources/46420125101544060757.pdf

 

"Isn't there a way citizens can fire holder?"

How are you going to do this when the "person of interest" is in charge of the evidence repository?



They don't call them "Magic" Markers for nothing, y'know.

There are of course legitimate reasons for holding back information in "ongoing investigations," but something has to be done when the "person of interest" declares that he's doin' his own internal investigatin'.

Or can shut down information because of "National Security."

Or "Executive Privilege."

Terry, 230RN

The honest truth is NOBODY would do the hard jobs if not for the immigrants.

You never see anybody else working in 110 degree heat picking lettuce for 12 hours a day for minimum wage except for immigrants.

I don't think illegal immigrants should be hired but the truth is that they have fake birth certificates, shared social security numbers and other ways to trick the employers into hiring them.
 
If you go after the companies that provide inexpensive produce and chicken then the prices go up and everybody complains that the prices are too high.

 In college And high school I did many jobs where I worked outdoors such as construction, Rock Wall (lava rock) and picking fruit. I have friends that currently hold these kinds of jobs. However they do make more minimum-wage (not much). And I have friends that are looking for jobs, who would even take these kinds of jobs. There are also lots of felons who cant find work and this kind of work is a chance for them to change there lives around... it hard to change from a life of crime especially when there are no jobs.....

and to quote Paul Ryan.

"College graduates should not have to live out their 20s in their childhood bedrooms, staring up at fading Obama posters and wondering when they can move out and get going with life."