I guess it's true that "Maui No Ka Oi" (Maui is the best).  Unlike KHSC here that restricts you to 5 rounds in a magazine and you can't fire rapidly really shows how backwards Oahu is compared to Maui.  Yes, not only does Maui have an NHRA drag strip (which we no longer have despite having almost 10 times the population of Maui) and Krispy Kreme, but they also have a COUNTY shooting range that apparently has NO limit on how many rounds you can have in your magazine AND you can shoot as rapidly as you want (obviously you must be "in control" or the RSO will get on your back).  I thought the Ukumehame range was a "gun club" range when I saw the video of them shooting 50 cal rifles and shooting an AR-15 with a slide stock, but I was wrong.  The Ukumehame shooting range IS a Maui County range under the Parks and Recreation department.  We need to urge our City Council to change the rules at KHSC so we can actually practice home defense tactics using our pistols or rifles.  Reality is that you won't shoot a threatening criminal once and count 1-2-3 before shooting again.  You'll be dead if you had to wait.  We need to be able to train at our public range as well as having target positions at perhaps 10-15 yards, not only 25 yards for the handgun range (how many of you have a home that has a 25 yard distance from one end of the hallway or stairway to the other?)  Anyway, it'd be a shame to have to fly to Maui just to practice using my AR or handgun with self-defense tactics.  Check out the video at

Looks like how a more normal range should be. 

Watching that video makes me wanna move to Maui! I was at Koko head today doin the usual plinking and then everybody had to leave, "another fire" had happened again so we all had to leave which sucked. But yeah how can make our range to be like theirs? What would WE THE PEOPLE have to do???


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Looks like Honolulu is a shit hole , time to move to Maui.

Watching that video makes me wanna move to Maui! I was at Koko head today doin the usual plinking and then everybody had to leave, "another fire" had happened again so we all had to leave which sucked. But yeah how can make our range to be like theirs? What would WE THE PEOPLE have to do???


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Dont think it was due to a fire. It was because HFD needed to clear the area for "training"?!?! That's what I overhead before I was told to leave at 12:40, Lame.

There are differences between the ranges. There are residential areas within range of KHSC.  Slidefire stocks and rapid fire by inexperienced shooters increases the likelihood of a round being shot into the air into those areas.  If I was an RSO, I'd have a hard time watching 60 shooters for safety during rapidfire.  Also the bullseye pistol shooters don't want to give up their range setup either.  Other ranges, such as Ukumehame, Schofield, Kaneohe, and Puuloa have clear downrange areas that meet their caliber restrictions.  Ranges are designed to have a clear downrange area of a couple miles or more depending on the calibers shot there.

KHSC could be improved better by flattening the shooting positions, installing overhead baffles, doubling or tripling the height of the backstops, and having more RSO's or volunteers to watch the firing line.

This is why there is the Koko Head Improvement Petition.  https://www.change.org/p/kirk-caldwell-improve-the-kokohead-shooting-complex

Yes we need a track too
We either need a millionaire who loves racing to donate a track or get rid of all the pussy legislators
Either way I don't see it happening anytime soon
No movement in the past 11 years on building a track here
I've seen many performance shops lose a lot of business and money because of no track
Sucks to have a fast car and nowhere to enjoy it
Sucks to have a defense gun and nowhere to shoot it

Actually we can practice defensive shooting here.
There are indoors, action bays, shooting clubs, miltary ranges, etc

Thats why i practice defense shooting at indoor ranges. No choice and it cost way more.

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So KHSC would look down upon the Binary trigger and doing a Magpul 60 round magazine dump?  Lol

The reason I heard for the magazine limit is if the firearm breaks and goes full auto then it'll run out of ammo by the time the muzzle rises too much.

The reason I heard for the magazine limit is if the firearm breaks and goes full auto then it'll run out of ammo by the time the muzzle rises too much.

How many times has that happened?  Isn't it more likely the operator will release the trigger right away when that happens?  Seems like a very uncommon problem.

The only thing the 5 round limit is good for is reducing the time for everyone to complete their shooting when the twenty-minute cease fire is called.  1-5 rounds doesn't keep everyone waiting to go down range.

There are differences between the ranges. There are residential areas within range of KHSC.  Slidefire stocks and rapid fire by inexperienced shooters increases the likelihood of a round being shot into the air into those areas.  If I was an RSO, I'd have a hard time watching 60 shooters for safety during rapidfire.  Also the bullseye pistol shooters don't want to give up their range setup either.  Other ranges, such as Ukumehame, Schofield, Kaneohe, and Puuloa have clear downrange areas that meet their caliber restrictions.  Ranges are designed to have a clear downrange area of a couple miles or more depending on the calibers shot there.

KHSC could be improved better by flattening the shooting positions, installing overhead baffles, doubling or tripling the height of the backstops, and having more RSO's or volunteers to watch the firing line.

This is why there is the Koko Head Improvement Petition.  https://www.change.org/p/kirk-caldwell-improve-the-kokohead-shooting-complex

zippz, while I appreciate your efforts to change the situation at the range, the ultimate logical conclusion to the "problems" you list is to close the range. If it's "dangerous", it's "dangerous", and incrementally lowering various thresholds of "acceptable activity" only postpones the inevitable "commonsense gun safety" solution: closure. And, I have to admit, if there were no range, there would be no possibility of any "accidents". Just like if there were no guns, there would be no "gun violence". It makes perfect sense, if you're (not you zippz) a hypocritical idiot.

I had no idea there were such restrictions there as a 5 round mag limit and slow-timed firing. Never heard of such a thing before. We don't have the problems here on the Big Island. Because we don't have a public range.

Maybe the answer for Oahu is to relocate the range to a less populated area, but that would mean West side or Kahaluu to North Shore.

Of course a more rural setting allows greater freedoms.
But then again, what if you want to practice careful bullseye marksmanship at Ukumehame and you are have a guy shooting a 50 cal on one side and a bump fire on the other side?
KHSC is a very large operation compared to Ukumehame servicing a much, much larger population.
It's apples and oranges.

As far as close range tactical style shooting at KHSC, there are combat-style matches every weekend with a number of clubs.
There is also HDF and the HRA fun shoots.

I'd rather see a second range in the country and keep KKHSC where it is

I'd rather see a second range in the country and keep KKHSC where it is

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really...that would be wonderful

But any monies that might have been used for that is now "derailed" LOL

Maybe the answer for Oahu is to relocate the range to a less populated area, but that would mean West side or Kahaluu to North Shore.

Great idea!   Relocate to the West Side.  I'll go with that! 
 

Maybe the answer for Oahu is to relocate the range to a less populated area, but that would mean West side or Kahaluu to North Shore.

That would be the most optimal.  All of the range designers and manager's I've spoken to here and on the mainland suggested shutting KHSC down and moving it somewhere else, but they know it won't happen in reality.  Would be good if we could get a large piece of land or valley alongside the Waianae mountain so you have a good backstop and no neighbors complaining.  If Schofield was downsized the city could take take over part of their range.  I don't see a commercial business being able to do it on a large scale since it costs a lot of money with high liability, and low return on investment.

JMHO

Range restrictions at KHSC are more about what neighbors don't want or are afraid of as opposed to what the users want.  Yes, the range SOP states specific range operations, but much of the reality has changed over the years due to complaints or concerns of those who live in the area.  Most of those concerns range from unfounded fear to downright false "observations".  Like suspecting a round from a ricochet from steel that lands on a house 2 miles away and the projectile didn't have any signs of deformation.

On the other hand, as an RSO, I see many ranges that allow more "freedoms" as also dangerous.  On the mainland, there are public ranges that don't have any RSOs on the firing line.  On ranges that I've shot, many times target changes are left up to the group on that particular range.  Not a big deal with there aren't that many people or the people on the range are safe, but there area always the bad apples.  In that case, the bad apples actions range from loading guns while you're down range to going back to shooting while you're down range.  While I wasn't down range when that happened, I've seen it happen.  So sometimes rules aren't a bad thing and are often a function of the people who use the range.  I'm all about more "freedom" to do what one wants, but like anything in life, that needs to be tempered with reality.  That there will always be goobers and idiots that ruin things for everyone else. 

I also have friends that find places in the boonies and shoot.  One in WA has a sweet area where you can set up on one ridge and shoot across a valley to targets on the other side.  Anywhere from 400-800+ yards.  Really fun.  Good vantage point and you can see people coming from far away, so no real danger.  Then, you'll get clueless people who show up at the same "range" and are loading up their handguns and pointing the guns all over.  Last thing you want to do is to get into a heated discussion in that kind of situation. 

Maybe the answer for Oahu is to relocate the range to a less populated area, but that would mean West side or Kahaluu to North Shore.

Yes, move it to the Big Island