Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again (Read 156555 times)

drck1000

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #180 on: June 22, 2017, 09:13:17 AM »
We could just nickname you Onmi....  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Like don't get any Onmi.


 :rofl:

Pulling an Omni. . .

Inspector

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #181 on: June 22, 2017, 09:18:48 AM »


 :rofl:

Pulling an Omni. . .
I wish he would have done that...

I would have had more respect for him if he had.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

omnigun

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #182 on: June 23, 2017, 06:12:42 AM »
I came to conclusion that to stop posting here.  The conversations have turned too toxic and argumentative for the sake of arguments.  It has now transformed into random personal insults.  On many issues I hold a minority viewpoint from others on this forum and I don't see a positive outcome of keep trying to argue. 

Inspector

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #183 on: June 23, 2017, 07:00:53 AM »
I came to conclusion that to stop posting here.  The conversations have turned too toxic and argumentative for the sake of arguments.  It has now transformed into random personal insults.  On many issues I hold a minority viewpoint from others on this forum and I don't see a positive outcome of keep trying to argue.
Could it be that you are not taking responsibility for your own "too toxic and argumentative for the sake of arguments." and your own "personal insults"??? Insulting Republicans and people of religion on this board with your comments. I would guess 95% of the people who post here are Republicans and yet you started a thread with "idiot republicans..." And just because you don't believe in God/religion you insulted those who do and my guess is that at least 75% or 80% of the people posting here are religious to some extent or another. You cannot deny insulting those who are religious here as all your words here cannot be changed. The bigger man can discuss things like religion without lowering himself by insulting and denigrating that in which others believe. Just because you think you are right doesn't necessarily mean you are. And that doesn't give you the right to put them down because you do. 

Plus your arguments were nothing but a rehash of the same old things over and over again. Rarely providing back up or proof of what you were saying. For me it was not the fact that you have a minority viewpoint. Sure I like a spirited discussion, but when you started with the insults and just repeating yourself over and over again, I stopped. I stopped talking to you for those exact same reasons you stated. Also, after I stopped trying to have a conversation with you, you kept trying to engage me. Even after I asked you to stop. You cannot deny that you had a hand in all of this as well. But for me it was not so much the inane arguing, it was the really stupid comments that you made. Like you could hardly wait for someone to hold a different opinion on a particular subject than what you have because you work in that industry and you were just going to destroy their argument and win. And you like winning every argument. And you took such glee in winning arguments here. I told you I was going to stop discussing anything with you and then you told someone else you won the argument because I stopped posting about it. Taunting people and gloating over people is not a nice thing to do nor is it a very good personality trait. There is a lot more but I won't go into everything. It's not worth it.

Maybe you don't see that you are doing to others exactly what you complain about others doing to you? That doesn't mean you didn't do it. A little searching through this forum will prove what I just said. Personally, I think you need to wake up and do a little looking at oneself through the eyes of others.

I'll be happy to call a truce with you as long as you realize I am doing this for the good of the entire community and not because I think you won every argument and that it is a sign weakness. Agreed?
« Last Edit: June 23, 2017, 07:12:44 AM by Inspector »
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

drck1000

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #184 on: June 23, 2017, 08:04:21 AM »

I'll be happy to call a truce with you as long as you realize I am doing this for the good of the entire community and not because I think you won every argument and that it is a sign weakness. Agreed?
:thumbsup:

If people could just be mature adults and have rational conversations, it would really help.  There are people that just enjoy going against the grain just to get a rise out of people and I refuse to "help" enable that sort of behavior.  Want to act like a petulant child?  That's fine by me.  I'll just ignore you. 

Reminds me of the counter culture folks.  They take pride in being different.  Going against the grain of a given society "just because they can".  Well, it's still a free country and I support your right to express yourself in a manner in which you see fit.  However, don't come crying to me when your actions get you ostracized and then you want to claim to be a victim.  You did it to yourself.  Damn victim mentality.  Makes me sick.

Can you see that I haven't had caffeine yet?   :crazy:

punaperson

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #185 on: June 23, 2017, 09:17:55 AM »
Can you see that I haven't had caffeine yet?   :crazy:
Does the caffeine make you more, or less, pissed off?  :shaka: (I'm not a user so it's a little bit of a serious question...).

drck1000

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #186 on: June 23, 2017, 09:23:28 AM »
Does the caffeine make you more, or less, pissed off?  :shaka: (I'm not a user so it's a little bit of a serious question...).
Neither really. Just a running joke between Inspector and myself. 

I'm actually not that big a caffeine person myself as well.   ;D

Inspector

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #187 on: June 23, 2017, 10:58:51 AM »
:thumbsup:

If people could just be mature adults and have rational conversations, it would really help.  There are people that just enjoy going against the grain just to get a rise out of people and I refuse to "help" enable that sort of behavior.  Want to act like a petulant child?  That's fine by me.  I'll just ignore you. 

Reminds me of the counter culture folks.  They take pride in being different.  Going against the grain of a given society "just because they can".  Well, it's still a free country and I support your right to express yourself in a manner in which you see fit.  However, don't come crying to me when your actions get you ostracized and then you want to claim to be a victim.  You did it to yourself.  Damn victim mentality.  Makes me sick.

Can you see that I haven't had caffeine yet?   :crazy:
I agree about the victim mentality. The thing is they are so into being a victim that they don't recognize (or acknowledge if they do) that they are just as guilty of doing the same things to others. It works when you are dealing with weak minded people. But too many strong minded people here for that to work. In this case my gut feeling says he really doesn't recognize that he was just as bad as what he was complaining about. And he doesn't care to admit it, either. For me, I offered him a chance to come back without an apology. Just an agreement to quit talking to each other and stop the insults. Of course I can't make anyone else do the same.

I really don't care if someone has an opposing opinion. Hell, I like a good spirited discussion as anyone else. I only care if they are elitist, antagonistic and/or insulting about it. Then I want to put them in their place. Yes, I get trolled easily at times.

I had my caffeine early this morning. Grande Dark, no room from Starbucks.  :shake: :shake: :shake:
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Inspector

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #188 on: June 23, 2017, 11:01:04 AM »
Does the caffeine make you more, or less, pissed off?  :shaka: (I'm not a user so it's a little bit of a serious question...).
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Personally, I don't get more or less pissed. I am just more of a whiner and complainer when I have not had my caffeine.  :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #189 on: June 23, 2017, 11:12:34 AM »
I call bullshit when I see it. 

Some people get defensive and start flame wars to deflect and obfuscate from the original comments just to win "debate points."

It's irritating, and I don't like to back down when the other person refuses to acknowledge they were wrong, or at least unable to support their positions as well as another has.

I know it pisses off others to watch the mud wrestling, but some hot-button topics or statements draw me in, and I lose perspective scrapping over things the other person "just knows" without any rational reasoning or experience.

Never argue with idiots.  They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

robtmc

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #190 on: June 23, 2017, 11:28:45 AM »
I came to conclusion that to stop posting here.  The conversations have turned too toxic and argumentative for the sake of arguments.  It has now transformed into random personal insults.  On many issues I hold a minority viewpoint from others on this forum and I don't see a positive outcome of keep trying to argue.
Oh well, off you go back to HuffPo and Democrat Underground.......

omnigun

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #191 on: June 23, 2017, 01:25:59 PM »
This is my view on this whole thing.  I came here because I liked guns and 2a.  I am passionate and opinionated as a person. Raised by/around lawyers so I am also fairly argumentative. Furthermore I am very blunt.  I don't treat anyone like a special snowflake. My arguments and beliefs on religion were not diluted down.  I am agnostic and will view my opinions and arguments with that.  If anyone feels offended so be it.  I want to argue based on facts not emotions.  If you can back up your religious beliefs with facts that's great we can argue. I didn't tone it down because it would offend you.  Maybe I should of.  I do not have opinions just because they are against the majority here.  I have opinions regardless of where I am and where I post.  If i was on a liberal forum, I would have the same opinions and opposing opinions on 2a etc.  I would gladly argue with a liberal about religion or guns, freedoms and social issues.  Same as I would argue with a conservative on religion, abortion, climate change etc.  I am an independent I don't belong to either party.  I don't cater my opinions based on the forum I am on.  In the beginning I never singled people out and even towards the end I didn't do it much.  As time the conversations became less about facts and more about emotions and calling individuals out and putting random labels on them (liberal etc).  Then everything spiraled down from there to being too toxic and not productive.  I don't have some victim complex because I too was part of this escalation.  While I don't think I was the first one to start individual insults I did end up resorting to some. This is why I made my decision to stop posting often.  Its clear at this point the conversation is too toxic and based too much on emotions to be productive for anyone.  The easiest way to solve this is just for me step out and post less.  I do admit my arguments sometimes were not the greatest as I am not an expert on every field.  I tend to look at the facts I do understand then base my opinion on that and what the majority of respectable people in that field say. If 9/10 doctors say something I will believe and trust them especially if that sounds correct.

Too bad this place wasn't anonymous then we could all discuss things without putting labels and names on people.

drck1000

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #192 on: June 23, 2017, 01:39:45 PM »
1)  I want to argue based on facts not emotions.

2) I do admit my arguments sometimes were not the greatest as I am not an expert on every field.  I tend to look at the facts I do understand then base my opinion on that and what the majority of respectable people in that field say. If 9/10 doctors say something I will believe and trust them especially if that sounds correct.

Too bad this place wasn't anonymous then we could all discuss things without putting labels and names on people.
1) That's whole point.  You don't argue based on facts.  You speculate based on your beliefs. People call you out on that and ask you to provide backup and that's when the obfuscation comes in and you resort to a "I know what I know" and won't be convinced otherwise.  That's not arguing.  That's being a petulant child. 

2) Like your argument that the basis for religion are books?  While I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you are trying to understand the facts, I really do think you generally read things somewhere, latch onto it and parrot it as truth because it makes sense to you.  Then you get all butthurt when others don't agree and call you out on it to substantiate.  If you can back any of that up with facts, then I can see how you can view it as people ganging up on you.  To be frank, I don't agree with a lot of what is being thrown around here.  We're all adults.  But the way you carry on conversations with people makes me wonder if you act that way in person. 

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #193 on: June 23, 2017, 01:44:10 PM »

This is why I made my decision to stop posting often.

The easiest way to solve this is just for me step out and post less.  I do admit my arguments sometimes were not the greatest as I am not an expert on every field. 


The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Inspector

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #194 on: June 23, 2017, 02:36:24 PM »
Here is my take from your answers:

I came to conclusion that to stop posting here.

The easiest way to solve this is just for me step out and post less.

Which is it? Are you going to STOP POSTING or are you going to POST LESS??? Do you see why you are frustrating to deal with? With just two postings no one knows what the truth is. No one knows where you are coming from because you are talking out both sides of your mouth. I say go and quit posting all together. Especially if you are not going to show the respect you demand from us.

I don't treat anyone like a special snowflake. My arguments and beliefs on religion were not diluted down.  I am agnostic and will view my opinions and arguments with that.  If anyone feels offended so be it.  I want to argue based on facts not emotions.  If you can back up your religious beliefs with facts that's great we can argue. I didn't tone it down because it would offend you.  Maybe I should of. 

So it sounds like you really don't care if you are offensive to any one here. And you try to blame the people who might have been offended for your offense? Let me just remind you that I consider myself an Atheist. So you didn't offend me. What I was talking about was your put downs and the way you speak towards those who are religious here. Like they are liars because they have faith in God. Here is just one example which is not the worst:

Yeah no all religions are basically fake.  Sure some of the coincidence stores might be sorta rooted in truth but that ain't no sign of a god.  Its simple coincidence.  Random events that people interpret it as something greater.  Then they embellish said stories as some sort of proof of their god.  Jesus was probably a real person so what?  Anyone can start a cult/religion and make themselves one of the main people in it.  Look at cult leaders saying they are the reborn jesus.  Sure Mary cheated on Joseph had a kid, said the kid was "gods" son and poor Joseph believed it.  Hell this story happens all the time nowdays.  But you don't people saying god made this baby anymore cause its crazy.  The red sea, wow it got muddy/dried up....must be proof of god.  When there are random storms that kill enemy troops.  Must be god, no other reason could be plausible right?

Don't you think you could have shown everyone here in this community who is religious a little respect? Apparently not since you said you don't care. You are making fun of their beliefs here in this quote. All religions are fake? Calling what they believe as crazy? Saying their belief in bible passages as some sort of proof of their god? Jesus was probably a real person so what? And then you compared a cult leader to Jesus? If this isn't making fun and putting the religious people here down for their beliefs I don't know what is. This was definitely uncalled for. 

Let me remind you that you call yourself agnostic meaning you are not sure if there is a God or not and you will find out if there is a God when you die. For someone who is not sure if there is a God or not these are some big put downs about God absolutely not existing. Do you see the hypocrisy in this? You said maybe you should have toned it down? I say you should have done more than that. Can you see how you single handedly insulted every religious person here? Oh, that's right, you don't care.

None of this has anything to do with your opinions. You could have easily reworded that whole statement and got your point across without the put downs and insults. And you could have done it and come across showing the same respect you come here and demand from everyone else. Hypocrite!!! Nobody here apologizes for their opinions. But there should be a certain amount of respect shown by you if you are going to whine about not getting respect. But since you don't care, I say go and don't come back. You are not worthy of being a member of this community IMHO. And I take back my offer for a truce.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

punaperson

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #195 on: June 23, 2017, 02:52:59 PM »
 :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

dustoff003

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #196 on: June 23, 2017, 02:58:11 PM »
Too bad this place wasn't anonymous then we could all discuss things without putting labels and names on people.

What does the above mean? The thing is that there are a fair amount of people in this place who know each other in the real world. This is Hawaii and if you are from here or have spent any time here you of all people should know that the "six degrees of separation" is real. Everyone is bound to know someone who in turn knows the other person. That's why most of us generally act civil when interacting here the majority of the time. How would anonymity benefit this forum?



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

macsak

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #197 on: June 23, 2017, 03:02:25 PM »
I do admit my arguments sometimes were not the greatest

then why make them?

I am not an expert on every field.

but you are an expert-at-heart

Too bad this place wasn't anonymous

this place is anonymous, our names are obviously not "omnigun" and "macsak"


then we could all discuss things without putting labels and names on people.

really? look at the title of this post, and see who is the OP
hello pot, this is kettle, you're black


punaperson

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #198 on: June 23, 2017, 03:12:50 PM »
Not to change the subject  ;), but here is some idiocy that I've hesitated to post for days, but it's raining outside right now so... From our very own University of Hawaii "researchers"... ETA: Is it a typo, or is the "Geography" department really part of the "College of Social Sciences"? If so, that would explain a lot about this "research". ("...an associate professor of geography in the UH Manoa College of Social Sciences").

They define the range of "killer heat" based upon the relative combinations of temperature and humidity. The writer then notes that according to those "conservative" criteria, last Sunday was a "killer heat" day in Honolulu. He then fails to mention the number of deaths that occurred in the "killer heat" of that day. Why?! Surely this research re the devastating effects of anthropogenic global warming and the professor's appeals to cure it need to be brought to the public's attention by loudly and boldly proclaiming the horrific loss of life caused by these "killer heat' episodes that will be of increasing frequency, intensity, and duration... unless, could it be, no one died due to the "killer heat"? But that would seem to be a contradiction... Perhaps in the name of scientific objectivity, given the consensus and all that, it should be renamed "mildly uncomfortable heat"?

Lethal heat will grow common, climate change study predicts

http://www.staradvertiser.com/2017/06/19/hawaii-news/lethal-heat-will-grow-common-climate-change-study-predicts/?HSA=49244a8e46eae8138a217efb4b39c4afd8dfc03c

Three-quarters of the world’s inhabitants, including those living in Hawaii, will be exposed to deadly heat waves by the end of the century unless greenhouse gases are not substantially reduced, according to a study published today in Nature Climate Change.

And even if bold action is taken to curtail emissions, nearly half of the world’s population still faces living with the dangerous hot spells, with tropical regions feeling the worst of it, the study said.

“We’re left with a choice between bad and terrible,” said lead author Camilo Mora, a University of Hawaii professor.
* * * * *
Mora, an associate professor of geography in the UH Manoa College of Social Sciences, said that when the project began a year and a half ago, little was known about how common such killer heat waves are, and the researchers were expecting to find relatively few.

That’s because the scientific literature usually describes only a few, including the 2003 heat wave that killed 70,000 people in Europe, the 2010 event in Russia that killed 55,000 and the 1995 Chicago hot spell that killed more than 700.

Digging deeper, Mora’s team found more than 1,900 deadly heat waves going back to 1980.

“That was a big shock, I’m telling you,” he said.
* * * * *
After analyzing the weather conditions during the lethal heat episodes, the researchers identified a threshold of heat and humidity beyond which conditions defeat the body’s natural cooling system. It’s a threshold that’s variable because lower temperatures can become lethal as relative humidity goes up.

According to their data, at 80 percent humidity, killer heat waves have occurred at temperatures above 68 degrees Fahrenheit. At 40 percent humidity, they have occurred when the mercury tops 75 degrees.

But to be conservative, the study used a higher threshold — a curve that includes 81 degrees at 80 percent humidity and 91 degrees at 40 percent humidity.

In Honolulu Sunday, the humidity was 70 percent and the high temperature reached 87 at the Daniel K. Inouye International Airport. That qualifies as killer heat under the study, but the isles also were cooled by an 11 mph breeze.
* * * * *
While Mora said President Donald Trump’s move to pull out of the Paris climate agreement was a step backward for the planet, he remains hopeful the world can still rally to minimize the damage.

“This is something we cannot afford not to fix,” he said. “It’s like climbing a building and choosing between jumping from the second floor or the eighth floor. I prefer to jump from the second floor rather than the eighth floor.”
« Last Edit: June 23, 2017, 03:28:17 PM by punaperson »

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ah the paid climate change/polution denying members are at it again
« Reply #199 on: June 23, 2017, 03:15:15 PM »
then we could all discuss things without putting labels and names on people.

really? look at the title of this post, and see who is the OP
hello pot, this is kettle, you're black

There's only one label/name I feel is appropriate for Omni:  TROLL.

I know I used Dimwit once in a while, but that was me trolling the troll.

This topic is a perfect example of trolling:

Quote
I'm awaiting all the climate change deniers comments here on how great this new law will be on our environment!

If that's not trolling, then I'll eat my dog's dinner tonight!
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw