Sweden institutes military draft for both men and women

COPENHAGEN, Denmark (AP) -- Sweden's left-leaning government instituted a military draft for both men and women Thursday because of what its defense minister called a deteriorating security environment in Europe and around Sweden.

Under the plan approved Thursday, at least 4,000 18-year-olds could be called up each year. Swedes will still be able to volunteer for military service.

The Swedish government, which often has described itself as "feminist," said "modern conscription is gender neutral and will include both women and men."

On Tuesday, Micael Byden, head of Sweden's armed forces, said an additional 6.5 billion kronor ($718 million), or a 15 percent budget boost, was needed to increase the country's military's capabilities in the coming years. This was to be added to the 45 billion kronor ($5 billion) the government had earmarked for 2017.

Sweden institutes military draft for both men and women

COPENHAGEN, Denmark (AP) -- Sweden's left-leaning government instituted a military draft for both men and women Thursday because of what its defense minister called a deteriorating security environment in Europe and around Sweden.

Under the plan approved Thursday, at least 4,000 18-year-olds could be called up each year. Swedes will still be able to volunteer for military service.

The Swedish government, which often has described itself as "feminist," said "modern conscription is gender neutral and will include both women and men."

On Tuesday, Micael Byden, head of Sweden's armed forces, said an additional 6.5 billion kronor ($718 million), or a 15 percent budget boost, was needed to increase the country's military's capabilities in the coming years. This was to be added to the 45 billion kronor ($5 billion) the government had earmarked for 2017.

Is it possible they are following the lead of the U.S and our new president?

Blame the Russians...

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/03/02/518116191/sweden-brings-back-the-draft-alarmed-by-russian-activities

Cool, let them show the world what it would be like to draft women as well as men.

Cool, let them show the world what it would be like to draft women as well as men.

Israel has been doing it for almost 70 years...And many times it looks prettty pretty good. 

Israel has been doing it for almost 70 years...And many times it looks prettty pretty good. 

True, but I think the Israelis have a little more real world expectations than some of the more hugs and good feelings Europe. Maybe Swedes are not like that, I don't know.

True, but I think the Israelis have a little more real world expectations than some of the more hugs and good feelings Europe. Maybe Swedes are not like that, I don't know.

Is there anyone you don't stereotype?

Is there anyone you don't stereotype?

Doesn't seem like he stereotyped. Throughout the last 100 years the Europeans have shown an enormous capacity to stick their heads in the sand and pretend like nothing is happening, until a world war breaks out and they have to surrender. I've also lived in Europe and for the most part they love to pretend like everything is lovey dovey, until it isn't.

Doesn't seem like he stereotyped. Throughout the last 100 years the Europeans have shown an enormous capacity to stick their heads in the sand and pretend like nothing is happening, until a world war breaks out and they have to surrender. I've also lived in Europe and for the most part they love to pretend like everything is lovey dovey, until it isn't.

The telling part of that is, if they are all like that, why do they have more than one party running for offices? 

Just like Hawaii, even though the majority appear to be Liberal based on voting, quite often it's because of tradition, family influences, media characterizations and lack of information on what the parties' differences are.

In reality, there are many who don't even try to "swim against the perceived current" of the apparent majority out of a feeling of futility.  That's where we get "the silent majority."

Wasn't it England who lead the fight against the Nazis?  America had zero interest in sending troops until Pearl Harbor.

The start of the war in Europe is generally held to be 1 September 1939,[9][10] beginning with the German invasion of Poland;
Britain and France declared war on Germany two days later.
The dates for the beginning of war in the Pacific include the start of the Second Sino-Japanese War on 7 July 1937,[11][12] or even the Japanese invasion of Manchuria on 19 September 1931

So, if anyone had their head in the sand, it was the US.  We were in negotiations with the Japanese up until the day of the attack, trying to end the war in China.

Americans take for granted all of our freedoms.  In sweeden, one cannot just speak out against what the government sanctions....  they would be investigated and possibly thrown in prison.  At the very least their lives would be very tough after that.. 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3477510/Migrant-attacks-conspiracy-hide-truth-Europe-s-liberal-country-Sweden-stopped-citizens-discussing-refugee-influx.html

Europe on the whole except for Hungary and other eastern euro nations, have brought this evil on themselves.  Liberalism is another dangerous and fatal disease.

Wasn't it England who lead the fight against the Nazis?  America had zero interest in sending troops until Pearl Harbor.

Actually America did have military involvement in WW2 prior to the bombing at pearl harbor.

http://militaryhistorynow.com/2013/01/09/the-war-before-the-war-americas-pre-pearl-harbor-involvement-in-ww2/

Actually America did have military involvement in WW2 prior to the bombing at pearl harbor.

http://militaryhistorynow.com/2013/01/09/the-war-before-the-war-americas-pre-pearl-harbor-involvement-in-ww2/

Every one of those was in the month before pearl harbor and had nothing to do with American being involve with the war, But were incidents of incidental contacts with US navel ships.

At the point that America joined the war the United kingdom had been fighting for 4 years and was the only country in Europe to not be invaded. I can tell you now that if England hadent of held out so long Hitler would of rolled right on over to America and becasue of its large coastline and at the time little defenses would of rolled right into main street USA.

The only reason Hitler lost WW2 was becasue he decided to attack the russians on the eastern front. If he had of stayed allies with them he would of taken all of Europe.

Every one of those was in the month before pearl harbor and had nothing to do with American being involve with the war, But were incidents of incidental contacts with US navel ships.

At the point that America joined the war the United kingdom had been fighting for 4 years and was the only country in Europe to not be invaded. I can tell you now that if England hadent of held out so long Hitler would of rolled right on over to America and becasue of its large coastline and at the time little defenses would of rolled right into main street USA.

The only reason Hitler lost WW2 was becasue he decided to attack the russians on the eastern front. If he had of stayed allies with them he would of taken all of Europe.

Exactly!  After the toll of WWI, America was very unwilling to enter another large scale war so soon.  Most were isolationist in their opinions -- if the US mainland isn't a target, then we should sit this war out.

Defending against aggression from Japan or Germany may have been grounds to declare war at an earlier time.  But with attitudes as they were, the US was content to help with defense operations but not with offensives.

Again, if we were "at war" with Japan before Pearl Harbor's attack, why would we be in diplomatic talks with them?  Once warfare has begun, the only purpose for diplomacy would be cessation of hostilities between us and Japan.  That was never a topic.

It's always easy to view the past with 20/20 hindsight and assign whatever characterizations we want.  That doesn't mean it was true at the time.

Every one of those was in the month before pearl harbor and had nothing to do with American being involve with the war, But were incidents of incidental contacts with US navel ships.

At the point that America joined the war the United kingdom had been fighting for 4 years and was the only country in Europe to not be invaded. I can tell you now that if England hadent of held out so long Hitler would of rolled right on over to America and becasue of its large coastline and at the time little defenses would of rolled right into main street USA.

The only reason Hitler lost WW2 was becasue he decided to attack the russians on the eastern front. If he had of stayed allies with them he would of taken all of Europe.

Not trying to discount Britain's contribution to the war at all, just pointing out there America was, even if in a very small way, involved in the war. The capabilities of Hitler invading the US are an interesting hypothetical conversation but alas another topic.

Not trying to discount Britain's contribution to the war at all, just pointing out there America was, even if in a very small way, involved in the war. The capabilities of Hitler invading the US are an interesting hypothetical conversation but alas another topic.

That's like saying that if an American Ivan stands on a line in Africa we're some how involved with what ever war put it in place,

Incidental action is not war, in 2016 turkey shot down a Russian fighter jet that was flying missions in Syria. Does that make Russia at war with turkey ?? No it's an incidental action, meaning not an act of war but an engagement outside of war. Could it lead into a war? Possible but untill Japan attacked Pearl Harbor and congress officially declared war America was not involved in ww2.

That's like saying that if an American Ivan stands on a line in Africa we're some how involved with what ever war put it in place,

Incidental action is not war, in 2016 turkey shot down a Russian fighter jet that was flying missions in Syria. Does that make Russia at war with turkey ?? No it's an incidental action, meaning not an act of war but an engagement outside of war. Could it lead into a war? Possible but untill Japan attacked Pearl Harbor and congress officially declared war America was not involved in ww2.

I don't disagree with you but "involvement" can end up being a subjective definition, hence the differences discussed.

I don't disagree with you but "involvement" can end up being a subjective definition, hence the differences discussed.

So, let's see.....

My neighbor's kids run with a gang.
One night a different gang does a drive-by.
I take a few shots at the hoods in the car with my shotgun to protect my property and myself

By your definition, that means I'm involved in a gang war.

 

I'll just leave this here for you all to read....

http://www.dailywire.com/news/14372/was-there-just-terror-attack-sweden-michael-qazvini?utm_source=dwemail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=031317-news&utm_campaign=position4