Although it's been many years since I heard this, I remember the word being that for PHNSY area, you would have about 11 min. before a nuke hit after the warning sounded.   Now this was based on the types of warning systems of the 70's early 80's and without the sea based missile defense we are supposed to have now, so I don't know what it is now.
Also remember seeing somewhere that an air blast over Oahu would be effective for about 25 mi.   If the target area was JB or urban Oahu, probably only Kahuku area would be safe.   Anyways, hope that the state gets their warning systems up to speed and stop these false siren blast occurring recently.

we don't have to worry, omnigun and 97% of scientists at heart say it's gonna be ok

Although it's been many years since I heard this, I remember the word being that for PHNSY area, you would have about 11 min. before a nuke hit after the warning sounded.   Now this was based on the types of warning systems of the 70's early 80's and without the sea based missile defense we are supposed to have now, so I don't know what it is now.
Also remember seeing somewhere that an air blast over Oahu would be effective for about 25 mi.   If the target area was JB or urban Oahu, probably only Kahuku area would be safe.   Anyways, hope that the state gets their warning systems up to speed and stop these false siren blast occurring recently.

Its all about the size of the nuke....big differences between russian nukes in the 70's and 80's and shitty korean nukes.

Don't be a horses ass, dude. Don't even try to tell me what I can or can't do. This statement is nothing but inflammatory, arrogant and elitist. It also shows you progressive roots and ignorance.
Dude, you are delusional. I never said anything like this at all. You are making this up and trying to put words into my mouth and incite an argument. Just go back into your little make believe world and play with your make believe, lower intelligence invisible people.

The worst part of this is you never even answered my question. I didn't ask you for an argument, I asked you to qualify yourself.I want to know what makes you the expert on NK and their capabilities. I am sorry I asked.

The countless studies and news showcasing their technology?  That isnt proof enough for you?

The countless studies and news showcasing their technology?  That isnt proof enough for you?

Could you post links or references to studies and news that you are referring to? 

Could you post links or references to studies and news that you are referring to?

I honestly want to see what the source of his information is.  If the sites are www.NKnukessuck.org, then I would have to doubt the information. 

I have tried to avoid going there and be all cagey and stuff, but I have seen some what I view as legit intel that isn't readily available online or really publicly.  Of course, I can't relay such information, but it does give me a sense of what is pure speculation (*cough* BS *cough*) and what seems be more current/plausible. 

And I like popcorn.  Movie popcorn, light butter and some kaki mochi!  MMMMM!!!! 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/sep/09/north-korea-nuclear-test-suspected-after-huge-seismic-explosion-detected-live
South Korea said the explosion at 9am local time (1.30am BST) was the biggest of the North’s five tests so far with a yield of 10 kilotonnes.
The explosion was recorded as a 5.3 magnitude seismic event by monitors in the US, Japan, China and Europe.

http://www.atomicheritage.org/history/little-boy-and-fat-man
About half the power of the nukes we used in ww2 against japan....utterly weak.

North koreas missiles
http://www.nti.org/learn/countries/north-korea/delivery-systems/
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-17399847

Many failures,  They are many decades behind the rest of the world.  With almost no proof of accuracy.

http://38north.org/
John Shilling, an aerospace engineer who writes for 38north.org, a North Korea-watcher website, questioned the real abilities of North Korea's arsenal. The Musudan could only make it to Guam, but it "barely works, exploding in seven out of eight tests so far," he said. Others, the "KN-08" and the "KN-14," have not been tested – only paraded as mock-ups. That threat, he said, is years out.

I honestly want to see what the source of his information is.  If the sites are www.NKnukessuck.org, then I would have to doubt the information. 

I have tried to avoid going there and be all cagey and stuff, but I have seen some what I view as legit intel that isn't readily available online or really publicly.  Of course, I can't relay such information, but it does give me a sense of what is pure speculation (*cough* BS *cough*) and what seems be more current/plausible. 

And I like popcorn.  Movie popcorn, light butter and some kaki mochi!  MMMMM!!!!

Good luck with that!!! 

Actually, I didn't want to tell him but his position was very similar to my position 10 years ago. I have changed my position a bit because a lot can and has changed in 10 years. But I am not here trying to tell everyone I KNOW FOR A FACT what NK is capable of. I have opinions and I have not been too quick to say anything. Mostly because I am not an expert. And while I know what I feel, I can certainly be wrong (and probably am wrong).

All of this started because I posted an article that contradicted his belief system. And when he feebly tried to tear it apart I just asked him to tell me what his qualifications are that makes him an expert in this field. That is when he started a one man argument towards me. Assuming he knows my position on this subject and putting words into my mouth. He was assuming my opinion was that of the article I posted. It is just his tone and demeanor like he knows it all and he is better than everyone else that prompted me to push him for his qualifications. If he is the real deal I'll bite. But so far he has said nada about what his qualifications are. But of course we know what they are....

I prefer my movie popcorn with light butter and heavy salt. In the biggest bag I can buy. 

Good luck with that!!! 

Actually, I didn't want to tell him but his position was very similar to my position 10 years ago. I have changed my position a bit because a lot can and has changed in 10 years. But I am not here trying to tell everyone I KNOW FOR A FACT what NK is capable of. I have opinions and I have not been too quick to say anything. Mostly because I am not an expert. And while I know what I feel, I can certainly be wrong (and probably am wrong).

All of this started because I posted an article that contradicted his belief system. And when he feebly tried to tear it apart I just asked him to tell me what his qualifications are that makes him an expert in this field. That is when he started a one man argument towards me. Assuming he knows my position on this subject and putting words into my mouth. He was assuming my opinion was that of the article I posted. It is just his tone and demeanor like he knows it all and he is better than everyone else that prompted me to push him for his qualifications. If he is the real deal I'll bite. But so far he has said nada about what his qualifications are. But of course we know what they are....

I prefer my movie popcorn with light butter and heavy salt. In the biggest bag I can buy. 

Fear mongering article was dumb and I voiced my opinion.  I could post many articles about how the earth could be destroyed by a meteorite or aliens.  Doesn't mean its going to happen and something to worry about.  Simply with the lack of technology, the failures of the country its simply not a problem.  Trump could just order a bombing to take out most of NK abilities in under a day probably.  Technically we are still at war with them.

10,000 tons of tnt isn't something to not fear.  This island would turn to chaos if it were detonated.  Imagine if it took out the H1. People would go nuts.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/sep/09/north-korea-nuclear-test-suspected-after-huge-seismic-explosion-detected-live
South Korea said the explosion at 9am local time (1.30am BST) was the biggest of the North’s five tests so far with a yield of 10 kilotonnes.
The explosion was recorded as a 5.3 magnitude seismic event by monitors in the US, Japan, China and Europe.

http://www.atomicheritage.org/history/little-boy-and-fat-man
About half the power of the nukes we used in ww2 against japan....utterly weak.

North koreas missiles
http://www.nti.org/learn/countries/north-korea/delivery-systems/
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-17399847

Many failures,  They are many decades behind the rest of the world.  With almost no proof of accuracy.

http://38north.org/
John Shilling, an aerospace engineer who writes for 38north.org, a North Korea-watcher website, questioned the real abilities of North Korea's arsenal. The Musudan could only make it to Guam, but it "barely works, exploding in seven out of eight tests so far," he said. Others, the "KN-08" and the "KN-14," have not been tested – only paraded as mock-ups. That threat, he said, is years out.

So, what you are saying is, there is no threat.  NK will never load 2 dozen 10KT bombs onto a cargo ship and detonate inside one of our harbors. 

You're also saying it won't close the harbor even though harbor operations for fuel, repairs, supplies and so on will have been destroyed.  That doesn't even account for the loss of lives, including trained specialists those operations depend on.

Japan took out Pearl with no nukes.  I find your assurances to be narrow-minded and shortsighted.

5000 tons of tnt isn't something to not fear.  This island would turn to chaos if it were detonated.  Imagine if it took out the H1. People would go nuts.

Chances are neither of US will die from an attack.  An attack that probably won't happen.  People would go nuts sure, people will die, but in the end most will survive and the US wouldn't fall, the world wouldn't be destroyed unless other nuclear powers got involved.   

Chances are neither of US will die from an attack.  An attack that probably won't happen.  People would go nuts sure, people will die, but in the end most will survive and the US wouldn't fall, the world wouldn't be destroyed unless other nuclear powers got involved.

You're saying none of US work near a target site?  Never visit a potential target site?  Never use the airport -- a very probable target site?

It's amazing how you know so much about the future.   

So, what you are saying is, there is no threat.  NK will never load 2 dozen 10KT bombs onto a cargo ship and detonate inside one of our harbors. 

You're also saying it won't close the harbor even though harbor operations for fuel, repairs, supplies and so on will have been destroyed.  That doesn't even account for the loss of lives, including trained specialists those operations depend on.

Japan took out Pearl with no nukes.  I find your assurances to be narrow-minded and shortsighted.

Yes, that idea is very far fetched.  I doubt the military would let a NK ship sail into the harbor.  I doubt NK could detonate all the nukes at once.  Hell if one nuke went off early it would destroy the others.  Sure shit would be destroyed, people would die but who cares?  Hawaii would heal we wouldn't all be dead.  The nation wouldn't fall. The chances are slim.  You are more likely to be killed in a car accident than by NK nukes. 

Japan destroyed a few ships killed a few thousand men.  I would HARDLY call that destroying our harbor.  We rebounded in mere months.  It was a big nothing in the scope of things. 

You're saying none of US work near a target site?  Never visit a potential target site?  Never use the airport -- a very probable target site?

It's amazing how you know so much about the future.   

I'm saying on any given day unless you live 24/7 at the airport, or military bases the average citizen in hawaii would not die.  Its literally simple statistics.  I'm not going to go down and track your location daily and plot it out the exact chances you would die.  This is an average for the average citizen of hawaii.

10,000 tons of tnt isn't something to not fear.  This island would turn to chaos if it were detonated.  Imagine if it took out the H1. People would go nuts.

I'll see if I can post some videos that I have of blast testing done through my work.  As an aside, I have been trying to arrange to witness these (or other) blast tests for a while.  For a few projects that I've worked on, they've performed blast tests on scaled models to validate designs.  Truly impressive stuff as well as plain interesting to me. 

Chaos for Oahu?  All it took was one over height transport truck taking out a pedestrian bridge and that was chaos for the greater part of a day.

It was a big nothing in the scope of things.

much like global warming
global cooling
climate change

...people would die but who cares? 

There's the problem right there!!!   

He doesn't care about anyone but himself. I wonder if he is a millennial?

Now that I think about it the pearl harbor attack is a great analogy what would happen.  People would die, stuff would get destroyed.  But in the end in the scope of things most people would survive,  we would rebuild and life would go on.  We would destroy NK and in a few decades we would remember the tragic event but in the end its nothing to fear.   MANY other things in life will cause your death with much statistical odds to be worried about. Just like 911 that could happen again, does this mean you no longer go in tall buildings?

Casualties of the Pearl Harbor Attack:

AMERICAN CASUALTIES:

4 battleships sunk
4 battleships damaged
2 other ships sunk
3 cruisers damaged
3 destroyers damaged
3 other ships damaged
188 aircraft destroyed
159 aircraft damaged
2,403 killed
1,178 wounded

JAPANESE CASUALTIES:

4 midget submarines sunk
1 midget submarine grounded
29 aircraft destroyed
64 killed
1 sailor captured

CIVILIAN CASUALTIES:

68 killed
35 wounded
3 aircraft shot down