Who is Jared Kushner? (Read 17019 times)

Jl808

Who is Jared Kushner?
« on: April 16, 2017, 07:07:05 AM »
With Bannon out and Kushner in, some ofTrump position on issues take a 180 degree turn.

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Re: Who is Jared Kushner?
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2017, 08:47:32 AM »
Who is Jsred Kushner?
Jared Kushner is the next POTUS after Trump. 
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oldfart

Re: Who is Jared Kushner?
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2017, 09:24:02 AM »
His office is at 666 fifth ave :shake:
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rklapp

Re: Who is Jared Kushner?
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2017, 09:56:32 AM »
Although Trump is an idiot (I was rooting for Rubio and have no love for Hillary), I wasn't concerned about him becoming President because every President (pretty much through Eisenhower) goes through the same spiel. The incoming President enters office with all piss and vinegar and believes they have the answers to what's ailing America. They try to pass their domestic agenda and fall flat on their face. He then bombs some other country and discovers that getting tough on a foreign power equals high polls. All that Trump thinks about is polls and ratings (one word, Schwarzenegger). Things get easier for the new President as soon as the old advisers are shown the door, and the new advisers who know what the eff they're talking about are given a seat.

Bannon's sour speech writing and nationalist policies are causing Trump's low ratings and with low ratings, you can't get much done except sign a bunch of meaningless executive orders. The only real change he is able to make is Garsuch. From this time forward, no President will successfully appoint a SCOTUS justice if his party does not have the majority in Congress. They are the ones who decide how many justices are sitting on the bench. The Democrats are probably feeding vitamins to Ginsberg with an IV drip and having her sleep in an oxygen tank at night.

No, I don't believe that Bannon and Conway are locked away in the WH basement (I think Karl Rove might still be down there), but they are kept on a tight leash so they don't turn on the President like Flynn tried to do (and probably still will). In the next two years, Trump will be seen golfing with Obama, Bush and Clinton because they are members of a very exclusive club where they don't get to pick who joins. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

It will be interesting to see if Ryan can change the GOP from the party of no, but he has been ineffective so far. That's why Boehner gave the House the finger and told them to kiss his arse. To be reelected, Jared and Ivanka will have to work with the Democrats to pass an infrastructure bill and build very large things that people can use to make their lives easier like highways, high speed trains, and airports. He better hurry soon because it's only 18 months to the mid term elections, and bridges don't grow on trees.

Feel free to highlight anything I said above and ask for clarification.
« Last Edit: April 16, 2017, 12:31:43 PM by rklapp »
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mrgaf

Re: Who is Jared Kushner?
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2017, 08:13:00 PM »
Although Trump is an idiot (I was rooting for Rubio and have no love for Hillary), I wasn't concerned about him becoming President because every President (pretty much through Eisenhower) goes through the same spiel. The incoming President enters office with all piss and vinegar and believes they have the answers to what's ailing America. They try to pass their domestic agenda and fall flat on their face. He then bombs some other country and discovers that getting tough on a foreign power equals high polls. All that Trump thinks about is polls and ratings (one word, Schwarzenegger). Things get easier for the new President as soon as the old advisers are shown the door, and the new advisers who know what the eff they're talking about are given a seat.

Bannon's sour speech writing and nationalist policies are causing Trump's low ratings and with low ratings, you can't get much done except sign a bunch of meaningless executive orders. The only real change he is able to make is Garsuch. From this time forward, no President will successfully appoint a SCOTUS justice if his party does not have the majority in Congress. They are the ones who decide how many justices are sitting on the bench. The Democrats are probably feeding vitamins to Ginsberg with an IV drip and having her sleep in an oxygen tank at night.

No, I don't believe that Bannon and Conway are locked away in the WH basement (I think Karl Rove might still be down there), but they are kept on a tight leash so they don't turn on the President like Flynn tried to do (and probably still will). In the next two years, Trump will be seen golfing with Obama, Bush and Clinton because they are members of a very exclusive club where they don't get to pick who joins. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

It will be interesting to see if Ryan can change the GOP from the party of no, but he has been ineffective so far. That's why Boehner gave the House the finger and told them to kiss his arse. To be reelected, Jared and Ivanka will have to work with the Democrats to pass an infrastructure bill and build very large things that people can use to make their lives easier like highways, high speed trains, and airports. He better hurry soon because it's only 18 months to the mid term elections, and bridges don't grow on trees.

Feel free to highlight anything I said above and ask for clarification.

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eyeeatingfish

Re: Who is Jared Kushner?
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2017, 09:22:12 PM »
Another illegal act by Trump... Law prevents people from employing family. Are we going to at least hold him accountable or what?

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/3110

"A public official may not appoint, employ, promote, advance, or advocate for appointment, employment, promotion, or advancement, in or to a civilian position in the agency in which he is serving or over which he exercises jurisdiction or control any individual who is a relative of the public official. An individual may not be appointed, employed, promoted, or advanced in or to a civilian position in an agency if such appointment, employment, promotion, or advancement has been advocated by a public official, serving in or exercising jurisdiction or control over the agency, who is a relative of the individual."

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Who is Jared Kushner?
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2017, 10:15:41 PM »
Another illegal act by Trump... Law prevents people from employing family. Are we going to at least hold him accountable or what?

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/3110

"A public official may not appoint, employ, promote, advance, or advocate for appointment, employment, promotion, or advancement, in or to a civilian position in the agency in which he is serving or over which he exercises jurisdiction or control any individual who is a relative of the public official. An individual may not be appointed, employed, promoted, or advanced in or to a civilian position in an agency if such appointment, employment, promotion, or advancement has been advocated by a public official, serving in or exercising jurisdiction or control over the agency, who is a relative of the individual."

INCORRECT ON ALL COUNTS.

Published Jan 21, 2017

DOJ: Hiring Kushner does not violate anti-nepotism law

Quote
Washington (CNN)The Justice Department concluded Friday that Jared Kushner serving in his father-in-law's
administration would not be a violation of federal anti-nepotism laws.

"In choosing his personal staff, the President enjoys an unusual degree of freedom, which Congress found suitable
to the demands of his office," wrote Daniel Koffsky, deputy assistant attorney general in the DOJ Office of Legal Counsel,
which serves as interpreter of federal law for the White House.

In essence, Koffsky reasoned that the anti-nepotism law covers only appointments in an "executive" agency and that the
White House Office is not an executive agency within the law. He cited a separate law that gives the President broad powers
to hire his staff.

That law authorizes the president to appoint "employees in the White House office without regard to any other provision of
law regulating the employment or compensation of persons in the government service."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/21/politics/jared-kushner-white-house-job-justice-department-ruling/

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/3/105


Your Liberal-like ANTIFA outrage over Trump's legal actions is duly noted.     :geekdanc:
« Last Edit: April 17, 2017, 10:54:13 PM by Flapp_Jackson »
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rklapp

Re: Who is Jared Kushner?
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2017, 01:58:28 AM »
INCORRECT ON ALL COUNTS.

Published Jan 21, 2017

DOJ: Hiring Kushner does not violate anti-nepotism law

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/21/politics/jared-kushner-white-house-job-justice-department-ruling/

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/3/105


Your Liberal-like ANTIFA outrage over Trump's legal actions is duly noted.     :geekdanc:
To me, it's 50/50 if Jared violates the law. In the midterm and second term election, the citizens are supposed to decide if they trust the President. My guess is that the public will overlook the nepotism of Jared if he is able to finally steer the administration in the right direction.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Who is Jared Kushner?
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2017, 03:33:33 AM »
To me, it's 50/50 if Jared violates the law. In the midterm and second term election, the citizens are supposed to decide if they trust the President. My guess is that the public will overlook the nepotism of Jared if he is able to finally steer the administration in the right direction.

Legally, there is no nepotism.  If President Trump trusts Jared to do the job, family relationship is a non-issue legally.

Sometimes, when 2/3 of the city are out to see that you fail, family may be your best and most trusted allies to get things done.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

rklapp

Re: Who is Jared Kushner?
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2017, 07:57:49 AM »
Legally, there is no nepotism.  If President Trump trusts Jared to do the job, family relationship is a non-issue legally.
Sometimes, when 2/3 of the city are out to see that you fail, family may be your best and most trusted allies to get things done.
I agree. I guess that's why he's the Secretary of the Department of Awesomeness. (that's a joke)

"The anti-nepotism law was passed by Congress in response to President John F. Kennedy's decision to appoint his brother Robert as attorney general, says Darrell West, vice president and director of governance studies at the Brookings Institution.

"It was very controversial at the time. Lyndon Johnson in particular did not like that, and when he became president he helped shepherd this anti-nepotism law through the U.S. Congress," West says.

Not many presidents have sought to hire relatives since then, so the law hasn't often been tested. But when President Bill Clinton appointed his wife, first lady Hillary Clinton, to head his health care task force, the move was challenged in court.

A federal judge ruled that the law didn't apply to White House staff jobs, making the appointment legal."
(I'd cite my source but I know you guys hate the biased media.)

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eyeeatingfish

Re: Who is Jared Kushner?
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2017, 12:06:19 AM »
INCORRECT ON ALL COUNTS.

Published Jan 21, 2017

DOJ: Hiring Kushner does not violate anti-nepotism law

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/21/politics/jared-kushner-white-house-job-justice-department-ruling/

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/3/105


Your Liberal-like ANTIFA outrage over Trump's legal actions is duly noted.     :geekdanc:

I think you need to pull away from the Trump teet. Besides being an obvious ethical issue you are going to blindly accept this legal argument from someone who is already under the Trump administration?  I mean seriously this should concern any real conservative even if there is some technicality.

Maybe you aren't a real conservative. Not hating either, if you aren't you aren't.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Who is Jared Kushner?
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2017, 12:08:44 AM »
I think you need to pull away from the Trump teet. Besides being an obvious ethical issue you are going to blindly accept this legal argument from someone who is already under the Trump administration?  I mean seriously this should concern any real conservative even if there is some technicality.

Maybe you aren't a real conservative. Not hating either, if you aren't you aren't.

You have no argument.  Just trolling me.

Pitiful.   :sleeping: :stopjack:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Who is Jared Kushner?
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2017, 12:17:59 AM »
You have no argument.  Just trolling me.

Pitiful.   :sleeping: :stopjack:

My argument is that the source for your argument is biased and their legal interpretation is questionable. And like I said, furthermore it is an ethical issue that would alarm conservatives even if it is legal.

You started snide comments, don't whine when I bite back.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Who is Jared Kushner?
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2017, 12:21:40 AM »
My argument is that the source for your argument is biased and their legal interpretation is questionable. And like I said, furthermore it is an ethical issue that would alarm conservatives even if it is legal.

You started snide comments, don't whine when I bite back.

Can you not read the law I posted the link to?  Same law source you posted, only mine says:

Quote
) Subject to the provisons [1] of paragraph (2) of this subsection, the President is authorized to appoint and fix the pay of employees in the White House Office without regard to any other provision of law regulating the employment or compensation of persons in the Government service. Employees so appointed shall perform such official duties as the President may prescribe.


Let me know if you need help interpreting such a difficult sentence. 

The President has very wide latitude in hiring anyone he wants as part of the White House Office. 

The rest of your argument is moot and irrelevant. 

Deal with it!
« Last Edit: April 22, 2017, 09:20:03 AM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Rocky

Re: Who is Jared Kushner?
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2017, 09:14:51 AM »
Let me solve your problem boys.
Jared is the guy that used to sell sub sandwiches. 
Trump eating the sandwich does not constitute nepotism. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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eyeeatingfish

Re: Who is Jared Kushner?
« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2017, 11:47:45 PM »
Can you not read the law I posted the link to?  Same law source you posted, only mine says:


Let me know if you need help interpreting such a difficult sentence. 

The President has very wide latitude in hiring anyone he wants as part of the White House Office. 

The rest of your argument is moot and irrelevant. 

Deal with it!

Interesting that you keep avoiding the ethics issue. They can make anything legal with a law but it should still be a red flag for any conservative. Perhaps you fully trust government?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Who is Jared Kushner?
« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2017, 02:00:07 AM »
Interesting that you keep avoiding the ethics issue. They can make anything legal with a law but it should still be a red flag for any conservative. Perhaps you fully trust government?

Interesting you can't admit you are wrong.  If the law allows him to pick anyone he wants, there is no ethics issue.

If anyone has an issue with ethical behavior, it's YOU.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Who is Jared Kushner?
« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2017, 06:02:10 AM »
Interesting you can't admit you are wrong.  If the law allows him to pick anyone he wants, there is no ethics issue.

If anyone has an issue with ethical behavior, it's YOU.

So the leader of our country can hire a bunch of his friends and you see absolutely no problem. Interesting. If our governor or mayor did that people would cry corruption. If you think that kind of thing is OK then I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

punaperson

Re: Who is Jared Kushner?
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2017, 06:21:59 AM »
So the leader of our country can hire a bunch of his friends and you see absolutely no problem. Interesting. If our governor or mayor did that people would cry corruption. If you think that kind of thing is OK then I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
You really think that the governor and mayor didn't hire any "friends"?  :rofl:

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Who is Jared Kushner?
« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2017, 07:03:02 AM »
So the leader of our country can hire a bunch of his friends and you see absolutely no problem. Interesting. If our governor or mayor did that people would cry corruption. If you think that kind of thing is OK then I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

You should learn to read all my posts so  I don't have to repeat them for you.

This is not about governor or mayor, even though you are an idiot if you think they don't hire close friends and relatives in roles they are able.  This is about the President, and the law is specifically written to allow him full control of the hiring and compensation of his White House.  Facts are funny things.  You were arguing Trump was breaking the law.  I proved you were wrong, and now you say it's unethical.  NO, IT'S NOT.  This is not a government job he should be forced to fill competitively like a GS position.  This is HIS staff.

I don't have any problems with Presidents hiring anyone they wish for their own staff.  He has 4 short years to get his job done.  He needs to pick people he can trust.  If he trusts the friends and family members he already knows more than strangers, then it's in our interest to let him staff his office with whomever he chooses. 

16 children of Presidents have worked in their fathers' White House.  Trump's situation is somewhat unique, in that his children are grown adults.  They and other relatives already work for him in his company, and they all have immense responsibilities and leadership roles.

This is not a Trump issue, but you seem to be bashing him for your own agenda. 
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw