Who is Jared Kushner? (Read 17015 times)

RSN172

Re: Who is Jared Kushner?
« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2017, 08:38:14 AM »
Being a billionaire certainly comes with its own set of unique problems that safe to say, ALL of us will never face.  But I certainly wouldn't mind trying to deal with that. 
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eyeeatingfish

Re: Who is Jared Kushner?
« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2017, 10:15:40 PM »
You really think that the governor and mayor didn't hire any "friends"?  :rofl:

I am sure they did and I have a problem with that if they did.

Why, when conservatives are concerned about big government and government abuse are they suddenly ok when Trump is doing it?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Who is Jared Kushner?
« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2017, 10:19:18 PM »
I am sure they did and I have a problem with that if they did.

Why, when conservatives are concerned about big government and government abuse are they suddenly ok when Trump is doing it?

Because he's the President, not the Governor or mayor.  Different animal altogether.

You keep repeating that you know it is unethical.  Why is it unethical?  What makes it against any ethical standards?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Who is Jared Kushner?
« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2017, 10:35:03 PM »
You should learn to read all my posts so  I don't have to repeat them for you.

This is not about governor or mayor, even though you are an idiot if you think they don't hire close friends and relatives in roles they are able.  This is about the President, and the law is specifically written to allow him full control of the hiring and compensation of his White House.  Facts are funny things.  You were arguing Trump was breaking the law.  I proved you were wrong, and now you say it's unethical.  NO, IT'S NOT.  This is not a government job he should be forced to fill competitively like a GS position.  This is HIS staff.

I don't have any problems with Presidents hiring anyone they wish for their own staff.  He has 4 short years to get his job done.  He needs to pick people he can trust.  If he trusts the friends and family members he already knows more than strangers, then it's in our interest to let him staff his office with whomever he chooses. 

16 children of Presidents have worked in their fathers' White House.  Trump's situation is somewhat unique, in that his children are grown adults.  They and other relatives already work for him in his company, and they all have immense responsibilities and leadership roles.

This is not a Trump issue, but you seem to be bashing him for your own agenda.

Sure, I can admit when I am wrong. They found a technicality that they "interpreted" to consider the action as legal. I referenced one law and you found one that supersedes it, good job. But you are still sidestepping the ethical issue by basically suggesting that since it is legal it cannot be unethical. I included the ethical aspect because there is more than one side to this coin. Being legal does not making something ethical.

It is not an agenda issue unless you consider sticking to conservative ideals an agenda.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Who is Jared Kushner?
« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2017, 10:39:35 PM »
Because he's the President, not the Governor or mayor.  Different animal altogether.

You keep repeating that you know it is unethical.  Why is it unethical?  What makes it against any ethical standards?

Nepotism.

Now if you think nepotism isn't unethical then just say so and we can agree to disagree.

PS, i understand the president is a different position which falls under different laws but for the purposes of my comparison it is not relevant since I am addressing an ethical issue there and not a legal one.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Who is Jared Kushner?
« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2017, 11:14:55 PM »
Nepotism.

Now if you think nepotism isn't unethical then just say so and we can agree to disagree.

PS, i understand the president is a different position which falls under different laws but for the purposes of my comparison it is not relevant since I am addressing an ethical issue there and not a legal one.

Then I guess you should file a complaint and demand an investigation of nearly every family owned and managed company in the country, since nepotism is unethical.  Start with Walmart.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Who is Jared Kushner?
« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2017, 08:54:51 PM »
Then I guess you should file a complaint and demand an investigation of nearly every family owned and managed company in the country, since nepotism is unethical.  Start with Walmart.

Are you suggesting that since everyone does it then it is ok?

punaperson

Re: Who is Jared Kushner?
« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2017, 09:10:38 PM »
Are you suggesting that since everyone does it then it is ok?
If everyone does what, exactly? Do you provide more financial support to your wife or children than you do to unrelated women and children? Is that an ethical issue? If not, why not? It's clearly preferential treatment based solely on the bias of familial relationship. But since you're so concerned with ethics, you likely donate all of your income to charities that help "the poor" and let your wife and kids beg in the street.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Who is Jared Kushner?
« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2017, 10:51:52 PM »
Are you suggesting that since everyone does it then it is ok?

Are you pretending that's a rational question?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Who is Jared Kushner?
« Reply #29 on: April 26, 2017, 12:42:50 AM »
If everyone does what, exactly? Do you provide more financial support to your wife or children than you do to unrelated women and children? Is that an ethical issue? If not, why not? It's clearly preferential treatment based solely on the bias of familial relationship. But since you're so concerned with ethics, you likely donate all of your income to charities that help "the poor" and let your wife and kids beg in the street.

I am not the leader of a government or elected to hold office. Why are we so ready to excuse nepotism all of a sudden when this crowd regularly complains about government corruption?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Who is Jared Kushner?
« Reply #30 on: April 26, 2017, 09:31:14 AM »
I am not the leader of a government or elected to hold office. Why are we so ready to excuse nepotism all of a sudden when this crowd regularly complains about government corruption?

Because nepotism is not an ethical issue unless you're hiring family over more qualified people or when open competitive advertising of a position is required by law or policy.

It's also an issue if the boss is the relative's direct supervisor.  In the military, they avoid assigning anyone to be directly supervised by a relative.  That doesn't apply to Trump, since his family are already used to working under him.

We aren't talking about general government hiring practices (although it's hard to tell since you can't focus on the topic).  We are talking about the Office of the White House........Period.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Who is Jared Kushner?
« Reply #31 on: April 28, 2017, 07:51:02 PM »
Because nepotism is not an ethical issue unless you're hiring family over more qualified people or when open competitive advertising of a position is required by law or policy.

It's also an issue if the boss is the relative's direct supervisor.  In the military, they avoid assigning anyone to be directly supervised by a relative.  That doesn't apply to Trump, since his family are already used to working under him.

We aren't talking about general government hiring practices (although it's hard to tell since you can't focus on the topic).  We are talking about the Office of the White House........Period.

It still brings up ethics issues. Do you really believe that Kushner is more qualified than anyone else to do the job but he just happens to be related to Trump?

And Trump working with his family for a while doesn't eliminate the problems present that you mentioned in the military.

I don't think either of us is going to sway the other here so we may have to agree to disagree.

Jl808

Who is Jared Kushner?
« Reply #32 on: April 28, 2017, 08:44:38 PM »
Let's hope he is as capable as Trump believes he is.  Don't know much about him but he seems to bring a democrat / globalist background.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Who is Jared Kushner?
« Reply #33 on: April 28, 2017, 09:49:17 PM »
It still brings up ethics issues. Do you really believe that Kushner is more qualified than anyone else to do the job but he just happens to be related to Trump?

And Trump working with his family for a while doesn't eliminate the problems present that you mentioned in the military.

I don't think either of us is going to sway the other here so we may have to agree to disagree.

You seem to disagree whenever the opposite opinion supports Trump.

Wonder why ....    ???
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Who is Jared Kushner?
« Reply #34 on: April 28, 2017, 11:20:09 PM »
You seem to disagree whenever the opposite opinion supports Trump.

Wonder why ....    ???

Because I don't preach to the choir. I like some of the things he wants to do and has done but I don't really go around praising him to like minded audiences. I just won't give him a pass when he does something I think wrong because I hold conservatives/republicans to a higher standard.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Who is Jared Kushner?
« Reply #35 on: April 28, 2017, 11:21:20 PM »
Let's hope he is as capable as Trump believes he is.  Don't know much about him but he seems to bring a democrat / globalist background.

Agreed. The left had a field day with Bush's appointment to FEMA when Katrina happened.