Are you guys okay with this? (Read 47446 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #80 on: May 01, 2017, 06:00:03 PM »
There isn't much that offends me. What really sets me off is hypocrisy. I hate the Democrat hypocrisy of rich people representing the poor. I hate the Republican hypocrisy of screwing over the poor for the rich. We in the middle class are stuck between a rock and a hard place. I hated the hypocrisy of the Clinton's thinking they could push their business dealings to the edge of legality. News flash, Trump is doing the exact same thing except that we knew it before the election and then we find out that Wikileaks was getting their information from the Russians.

"Wikileaks, I love Wikileaks. And I said write a couple of them down. Let’s see. During a speech crooked Hillary Clinton, oh she’s crooked folks. She’s crooked as a three-dollar bill. Okay here’s one. Just came out. ‘Lock her up’ is right. [10/10/16]"

Where's the investigation against Hillary? Where's the defamation lawsuits against the dozen or so women who accused him of sexual harassment? If I had done or said half the things that Trump said, my ass would be hauled into HR and fired like Billy Bush, Roger Ailes, Bill O'Reilly, not to mention Bill Cosby.   >:D

You ask the question are we happy with Trump's progress so far, and I listed many things he's done that are positive.

So far, you've decided to ignore that and list the things Trump hasn't done, or things he said you find negative.

Why ask the question if you have no interest in the answers?  You seem to have an agenda to bitch about Trump and refuse to engage in an actual discussion.

Talk about hypocrisy.   
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

rklapp

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #81 on: May 01, 2017, 06:11:38 PM »
You ask the question are we happy with Trump's progress so far, and I listed many things he's done that are positive.

So far, you've decided to ignore that and list the things Trump hasn't done, or things he said you find negative.

Why ask the question if you have no interest in the answers?  You seem to have an agenda to bitch about Trump and refuse to engage in an actual discussion.

Talk about hypocrisy.   
Did you read the Trump Contract with America or did you just look at the pictures? (I'm saying this in a light hearted, facetious tone.)
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #82 on: May 01, 2017, 06:17:31 PM »
Did you read the Trump Contract with America or did you just look at the pictures? (I'm saying this in a light hearted, facetious tone.)

Another deflection.

Ignored the questions.

Surprise!

Not.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

rklapp

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #83 on: May 01, 2017, 06:24:53 PM »
Yes, I acknowledge that you have provided trivial accomplishments that Trump has done. I apologize for trying to use humor to placate our discussion. Happy?   :popcorn:
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #84 on: May 01, 2017, 06:25:44 PM »
Yes, I acknowledge that you have provided trivial accomplishments that Trump has done. I apologize for trying to use humor to placate our discussion. Happy?   :popcorn:

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #85 on: May 01, 2017, 10:55:03 PM »
Remember, it was the Republican Party who told voters:

Give us the House, and we can stop Obama's agenda.
We gave them the House in 2010.

Then they said, the Senate is blocking us.  Give us the Senate, and we can stop Obama's agenda.
We gave them the Senate in 2014.

Then they said, we can't stop Obama's Executive Orders and refusal to follow the law as long as he and his administration are in power.
We gave them the Presidency in 2016.

As a bonus, the President was able to have his Supreme Court Nominee confirmed in 2017.

I don't care what you think of Trump.  We've given almost total power (within the limits of the Constitution) to the Republicans. 

If there is anything not getting done like repealing ACA, appointing independent counsel to investigate the past administration's illegal actions, or appropriating funding for the Southern Wall, it's NOT the President who's been in office all of 3 months.  It's the Republicans in Congress who have had the path cleared for them to get a more Conservative agenda passed.

It's easier to blame one man than 535 members of Congress, but the reality is that's where the real battles must be won.

Our President is NOT an omnipotent dictator who decides every detail of every issue that gets passed.  Congress represents US. The President is the one who makes sure what Congress says is law gets done.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

drck1000

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #86 on: May 02, 2017, 07:25:25 AM »
There isn't much that offends me. What really sets me off is hypocrisy. I hate the Democrat hypocrisy of rich people representing the poor. I hate the Republican hypocrisy of screwing over the poor for the rich. We in the middle class are stuck between a rock and a hard place. I hated the hypocrisy of the Clinton's thinking they could push their business dealings to the edge of legality. News flash, Trump is doing the exact same thing except that we knew it before the election and then we find out that Wikileaks was getting their information from the Russians.

"Wikileaks, I love Wikileaks. And I said write a couple of them down. Let’s see. During a speech crooked Hillary Clinton, oh she’s crooked folks. She’s crooked as a three-dollar bill. Okay here’s one. Just came out. ‘Lock her up’ is right. [10/10/16]"

Where's the investigation against Hillary? Where's the defamation lawsuits against the dozen or so women who accused him of sexual harassment? If I had done or said half the things that Trump said, my ass would be hauled into HR and fired like Billy Bush, Roger Ailes, Bill O'Reilly, not to mention Bill Cosby.   >:D
You're all over the place.  Seems like you just plain hate the guy and are filled with such hate that you can't come up with a coherent argument. 

Hypocrisy?  At least you mentioned hypocrisy of both/many sides.  I'll give you a point for that.  Ok, so he didn't fulfill one (or many) of his campaign promises.  Who hasn't done that?  What he has done is made good, or at least started the process, of making good on many of his promises.  What he is doing is effecting change. Yes, all of the change may not be positive.  I freely admit that personally, I think he's a buffoon.  But he's a buffoon that is trying to change the way this country has been going for the past 8 years.  I dunno about you, but I hated that direction.

Would I have liked Trump to have gone after HRC and see her in jail?  HELLS YES!  However, you ever consider that maybe there are other things involved that isn't made public?  Could Trump be just as dirty as the Clintons, even in league with them?  Yeah, could be.  I hated having to choose between a shit sandwich (HRC) and a piss shake (Trump).  Again, I get that you seem to have a hate hard-on for Trump, but he is working hard to effect change and I believe most of that is positive change.  For one, not making spectacles of every little thing like potentially racial issues, or quietly visiting the homecoming of a fallen service member.  Those things speak volumes, at least to me. 

rklapp

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #87 on: May 02, 2017, 07:41:40 AM »
What he is doing is effecting change. Yes, all of the change may not be positive.  I freely admit that personally, I think he's a buffoon.  But he's a buffoon that is trying to change the way this country has been going for the past 8 years.  I dunno about you, but I hated that direction.
Has he made change? All I see is a flurry of EOs that have no financial backing and can easily be countermanded when the next President comes into office, and a bunch of incompetent administrators who are ineffectual and waste money.
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drck1000

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #88 on: May 02, 2017, 07:53:02 AM »
Has he made change? All I see is a flurry of EOs that have no financial backing and can easily be countermanded when the next President comes into office, and a bunch of incompetent administrators who are ineffectual and waste money.
Ok.  That is one thing that ALL presidents have done.   I would bet the same could have been said for HRC had she won. 

I could list a number of things that I feel Trump has done, but you'd just come back with more negatives and other angles. . .

Surf

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #89 on: May 02, 2017, 08:10:38 AM »
Has he made change? All I see is a flurry of EOs that have no financial backing and can easily be countermanded when the next President comes into office, and a bunch of incompetent administrators who are ineffectual and waste money.
Are you serious?  Lets consider he has been in for only 100 days which isn't nearly enough time to unscrew everything that has been done for at least the past 8 years if not longer.  If I were to simply mention the appointment of Justice Neil Gorsuch as the singular accomplishment of Trump's presidency so far, that will have far reaching impact in a positive direction for the next three decades or so.  First 100 days is a joke of a measuring stick.  It is way to early.  While I would like to see more happening to reverse the damage done in the past 8 years, but we are taking steps in the right direction.  In reality I thought it would take a generation to fix the damage done, but I am hopeful that the current administration will reduce that time greatly.  Good thing Clinton didn't win or not just our kids, but our grandchildren would be paying the price.

rklapp

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #90 on: May 02, 2017, 08:18:29 AM »
Ok.  That is one thing that ALL presidents have done.   I would bet the same could have been said for HRC had she won. 
I could list a number of things that I feel Trump has done, but you'd just come back with more negatives and other angles. . .
You're right. The other side of the coin is that all of these checks and balances means that he can't do much harm. In the end, it's just words and nothing material like a fiscally conservative budget or a Mexican wall. Last angle...

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-news/watch/senator-john-mccain-weighs-in-on-president-trump-s-foreign-policy-934481987707

I like McCain and it really made me mad when Trump said he only likes service members who don't get captured.  :wtf:

In reality I thought it would take a generation to fix the damage done, but I am hopeful that the current administration will reduce that time greatly.  Good thing Clinton didn't win or not just our kids, but our grandchildren would be paying the price.
You're probably right but he doesn't have much time left. If he doesn't start passing legislation (this means signing a bill not an EO) and start building things by the summer of 2018, he'll lose the Congress and if/when that happens, he'll be a lame duck until the next Presidential election. It takes at least a year to put forward substantial legislation. At this point, he can't even repeal Obamacare.  :shake:
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punaperson

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #91 on: May 02, 2017, 08:28:14 AM »
Has he made change? All I see is a flurry of EOs that have no financial backing and can easily be countermanded when the next President comes into office, and a bunch of incompetent administrators who are ineffectual and waste money.
I guess you didn't see his nomination (and subsequent confirmation) of Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court. You should look at "the news" sometime to see what is happening.

You're claiming that because an EO can/may be revised or eliminated at some future date that it is meaningless or worthless? Every president, not the least of which was Obama, used EOs to attempt to get around legislative stalemates. You expect Trump to be different? Why? Or is your criticism "No president should ever issue EOs because..."?

Which administrators have been ineffectual exactly how since their confirmations or appointments? Details please. And exactly how much money have they "wasted" in exactly what way? Details please.

drck1000

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #92 on: May 02, 2017, 11:58:37 AM »
You're right. The other side of the coin is that all of these checks and balances means that he can't do much harm. In the end, it's just words and nothing material like a fiscally conservative budget or a Mexican wall. Last angle...

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-news/watch/senator-john-mccain-weighs-in-on-president-trump-s-foreign-policy-934481987707

I like McCain and it really made me mad when Trump said he only likes service members who don't get captured.  :wtf:
I used to think the same way about "checks and balances" and that a president couldn't do much harm all on his own before.  That was maybe 9 years ago.  The next 8 years were a long lesson in how much can go wrong. 

You seem to have convinced yourself of something.  Of what you can't seem to convey in a sensible manner.  Just seems like you're full of hate and denial and don't seem to be able to grasp other points of view or valuable information being offered here.  It's evidenced in this thread as well as firearms related threads. 


You're probably right but he doesn't have much time left. If he doesn't start passing legislation (this means signing a bill not an EO) and start building things by the summer of 2018, he'll lose the Congress and if/when that happens, he'll be a lame duck until the next Presidential election. It takes at least a year to put forward substantial legislation. At this point, he can't even repeal Obamacare.  :shake:
He's been in office 100 days.  That's less than 1/3 of the first year of his term!  I think you've been watching too much MSNBC and the like. . .

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #93 on: May 02, 2017, 04:29:10 PM »
Has he made change? All I see is a flurry of EOs that have no financial backing and can easily be countermanded when the next President comes into office, and a bunch of incompetent administrators who are ineffectual and waste money.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

rklapp

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #94 on: May 02, 2017, 05:00:14 PM »
I guess you didn't see his nomination (and subsequent confirmation) of Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court. You should look at "the news" sometime to see what is happening.
You're claiming that because an EO can/may be revised or eliminated at some future date that it is meaningless or worthless? Every president, not the least of which was Obama, used EOs to attempt to get around legislative stalemates. You expect Trump to be different? Why? Or is your criticism "No president should ever issue EOs because..."?
Which administrators have been ineffectual exactly how since their confirmations or appointments? Details please. And exactly how much money have they "wasted" in exactly what way? Details please.
Sorry, I meant to say many instead of all.
EOs have their place for trivial matters but I wouldn't call them legislation because there's no financing to back it up.
I just gave a five hour safety class so I'm too tired spell them out and yes, I know you hate reading anything that's not on Breitbart. (kidding) Basically, he finds someone who believes the opposite of what the agency has been trying to do then puts them in charge of the agency. Many of the nomination posts are left unfilled, and the result is their ineffectual ability to do their job. If the goal is to stop government interfering with our lives, then mission accomplished.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/slow-pace-of-trump-nominations-leaves-cabinet-agencies-stuck-in-staffing-limbo/2017/04/25/0a150aba-252c-11e7-b503-9d616bd5a305_story.html?utm_term=.2d466aed1e8f
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/01/19/donald-trump-has-assembled-the-worst-cabinet-in-american-history/?utm_term=.9182f61490f4

I used to think the same way about "checks and balances" and that a president couldn't do much harm all on his own before.  That was maybe 9 years ago.  The next 8 years were a long lesson in how much can go wrong. 
You seem to have convinced yourself of something.  Of what you can't seem to convey in a sensible manner.  Just seems like you're full of hate and denial and don't seem to be able to grasp other points of view or valuable information being offered here.  It's evidenced in this thread as well as firearms related threads. 
He's been in office 100 days.  That's less than 1/3 of the first year of his term!  I think you've been watching too much MSNBC and the like. . .
I apologize for any offense I have given you.
I like to watch Morning Joe, especially when Joe goes on one of his tirades. I also like to watch MTP but only the panelists because the politicians are usually just more blah, blah, blah. The Reps say that everything is sunshine and peaches, and the Dems say that everything is going to hell. Hardly anyone comes up with any clear solutions. I find most of it amusing. It's like watching a bunch of retards trying to fuck a doorknob out there!
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punaperson

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #95 on: May 03, 2017, 05:47:48 AM »
Sorry, I meant to say many instead of all.
EOs have their place for trivial matters but I wouldn't call them legislation because there's no financing to back it up.
I just gave a five hour safety class so I'm too tired spell them out and yes, I know you hate reading anything that's not on Breitbart. (kidding) Basically, he finds someone who believes the opposite of what the agency has been trying to do then puts them in charge of the agency. Many of the nomination posts are left unfilled, and the result is their ineffectual ability to do their job. If the goal is to stop government interfering with our lives, then mission accomplished.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/slow-pace-of-trump-nominations-leaves-cabinet-agencies-stuck-in-staffing-limbo/2017/04/25/0a150aba-252c-11e7-b503-9d616bd5a305_story.html?utm_term=.2d466aed1e8f
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/01/19/donald-trump-has-assembled-the-worst-cabinet-in-american-history/?utm_term=.9182f61490f4
To sum up your response in simple clear language: "No, I don't have any specific evidence to support any of my claims."

I rarely read Breitbart except for the Second Amendment-oriented columns of AWR Hawkins. And your "joke" is particularly amusing considering that you watch MSNBC and cite Jeff Bezos' money-pit vanity project The Washington Post as sources of "information" about the quality of Trump's administration.  :rofl:

I think a lot of vets would be appalled at your accusations of the uselessness of EOs and other administrative actions in light of changes instigated at the VA and some specific VA facilities.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/05/02/dept-of-veterans-affairs-fires-louisiana-va-director/

Etc.

Now, please keep us informed: What incredible insight did always brilliant English-major Mika Brzezinski share with you today?

rklapp

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #96 on: May 03, 2017, 10:23:44 AM »
I agree that hundreds of millions should be spent on continuing to build the smaller wall to replace the cyclone fencing.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/watch-live-spicer-mulvaney-expected-address-budget-deal-white-house-briefing/

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drck1000

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #97 on: May 03, 2017, 10:33:43 AM »
I apologize for any offense I have given you.
I like to watch Morning Joe, especially when Joe goes on one of his tirades. I also like to watch MTP but only the panelists because the politicians are usually just more blah, blah, blah. The Reps say that everything is sunshine and peaches, and the Dems say that everything is going to hell. Hardly anyone comes up with any clear solutions. I find most of it amusing. It's like watching a bunch of retards trying to fuck a doorknob out there!
No offense taken.  Just trying to figure out if you truly believe some of the things that you say and believe, or if you are just playing ignorant.

For this issue, you just seem to be blinded by hate or something.  Yeah, I get what you are saying above about the angles of each side.  However, you sound more like the hate spewing and constant denial of liberals.  Yeah, both sides have their faults.  Regardless, you still believe that Trump hasn't made any progress is complete :facepalm:

Regarding the firearm related feedback.  You've gotten excellent feedback regarding your questions on reloading (from others, not me), scope quality issues, etc.  You seem to just want to do it your own way in spite of the excellent feedback you get.  Now I am understanding from your discussion on these issues how you can be one who defines a good and enjoyable day at the range where you leave with more questions than answers. 

Ok.  How about this.  How about you lay out clear solutions that YOU would like to see.  Both for "the wall" and other aspects of how Trump is failing. 

rklapp

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #98 on: May 03, 2017, 11:27:18 AM »
Regarding the firearm related feedback.  You've gotten excellent feedback regarding your questions on reloading (from others, not me), scope quality issues, etc.  You seem to just want to do it your own way in spite of the excellent feedback you get.  Now I am understanding from your discussion on these issues how you can be one who defines a good and enjoyable day at the range where you leave with more questions than answers. 
Ok.  How about this.  How about you lay out clear solutions that YOU would like to see.  Both for "the wall" and other aspects of how Trump is failing.
I have several times. He needs to start building infrastructure like bridges and highways and airports. He can build a Donald J. Trump International Airport in every State as far as I care. He can build a $21B autobahn across the country and call it the Donald J. Trump Interstate Highway. Replace the Mexican border cyclone fence with the smaller wall like Mulvaney said and be done with it. Forget about replacing Obamacare with Trumpcare and fix the existing bill. Forget about tax breaks for the billionaires and focus on simplifying taxes for the middle class. Like I said, he has until the summer of 2018 to start these projects or he'll lose Congress. Accomplishing these things require legislation with real money instead of useless EOs with no financing attached. If he does these things then I'll eat my words but all I see are a bunch of retards trying to hump a doorknob.

Regarding the scopes, I'm just not ready yet to spend $500 on one. Maybe next year but I'm taking all of the recommendations into consideration. Right now, I'm trying to figure out what trigger I should get. HGS has a 2-stage Geissele for $150 that I'm eyeing. My goal when going to the range is not to buy the most expensive equipment but to figure out what works for the least amount. I'm very excited about the 77gn Nosler bullets I got for 16 cents each. That stuff eats my shit.
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drck1000

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #99 on: May 03, 2017, 12:45:32 PM »
I have several times. He needs to start building infrastructure like bridges and highways and airports. He can build a Donald J. Trump International Airport in every State as far as I care. He can build a $21B autobahn across the country and call it the Donald J. Trump Interstate Highway. Replace the Mexican border cyclone fence with the smaller wall like Mulvaney said and be done with it. Forget about replacing Obamacare with Trumpcare and fix the existing bill. Forget about tax breaks for the billionaires and focus on simplifying taxes for the middle class. Like I said, he has until the summer of 2018 to start these projects or he'll lose Congress. Accomplishing these things require legislation with real money instead of useless EOs with no financing attached. If he does these things then I'll eat my words but all I see are a bunch of retards trying to hump a doorknob.

Regarding the scopes, I'm just not ready yet to spend $500 on one. Maybe next year but I'm taking all of the recommendations into consideration. Right now, I'm trying to figure out what trigger I should get. HGS has a 2-stage Geissele for $150 that I'm eyeing. My goal when going to the range is not to buy the most expensive equipment but to figure out what works for the least amount. I'm very excited about the 77gn Nosler bullets I got for 16 cents each. That stuff eats my shit.
The state of the nations infrastructure is definitely a problem.  It's aging, deteriorating, not well maintained, etc.  I used to work for a consulting firm that designed new bridges/roadway projects as well as rehabilitation of older infrastructure.  Just know that while many projects are federally funded (partially or even fully), the execution happens at the state/county/city level.  While you will see FHWA, FTA, etc on signs for projects, they don't run projects themselves.  Or at least I haven't heard of one.  So while Trump can place emphasis on funding infrastructure programs, it's not like he can really effect change there.  It is a VERY slow process, especially when you consider environmental, historic and other processes.  Yes, historic is a VERY big hurdle many time.  I've worked on bridges in Hana that are 100+ years old and practically falling into the ocean.  However, until they actually fall into the ocean, you have to try to rehabilitate them.  And that's often to the tune of spending 5-10x the amount of money for a new bridge.  And that process to even evaluate history impact often can take 2 years minimum.  While a seemingly good idea that one would think easy to implement, it just doesn't work that way.  Sad, but that's how it is.  Can Trump change that?  Yes. He can make it easier for funding to flow to local levels, but that's already in place.  Just the local levels need to be on the ball, which sadly is generally not the case in Hawaii. 

I am not even close to knowledgeable about Obamacare, but from what I've heard from both sides is that Obamacare is imploding and not sustainable.  Don't really know much beyond that it's something that will fail eventually.