Are you guys okay with this? (Read 47429 times)

rklapp

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #100 on: May 03, 2017, 01:07:57 PM »
The state of the nations infrastructure is definitely a problem.  It's aging, deteriorating, not well maintained, etc.  I used to work for a consulting firm that designed new bridges/roadway projects as well as rehabilitation of older infrastructure.  Just know that while many projects are federally funded (partially or even fully), the execution happens at the state/county/city level.  While you will see FHWA, FTA, etc on signs for projects, they don't run projects themselves.  Or at least I haven't heard of one.  So while Trump can place emphasis on funding infrastructure programs, it's not like he can really effect change there.  It is a VERY slow process, especially when you consider environmental, historic and other processes.  Yes, historic is a VERY big hurdle many time.  I've worked on bridges in Hana that are 100+ years old and practically falling into the ocean.  However, until they actually fall into the ocean, you have to try to rehabilitate them.  And that's often to the tune of spending 5-10x the amount of money for a new bridge.  And that process to even evaluate history impact often can take 2 years minimum.  While a seemingly good idea that one would think easy to implement, it just doesn't work that way.  Sad, but that's how it is.  Can Trump change that?  Yes. He can make it easier for funding to flow to local levels, but that's already in place.  Just the local levels need to be on the ball, which sadly is generally not the case in Hawaii. 

I am not even close to knowledgeable about Obamacare, but from what I've heard from both sides is that Obamacare is imploding and not sustainable.  Don't really know much beyond that it's something that will fail eventually.
Agreed. To keep Congress in GOP hands, there has to be photos of construction workers in front of signs with thumbs up and captions that says Thanks Trump. Obama tried that before but all we saw were signs and no one actually doing anything. Yes, Congress is in charge of the spending so if Trump wants to keep Congress on his side, he needs to get them to build big things that people can use everyday.

Hate to tell you this but if Obamacare fails, people will blame Obama and their local Congressman. Then Nancy Palosi will be speaker again, God forbid.
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drck1000

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #101 on: May 04, 2017, 07:30:24 AM »
Agreed. To keep Congress in GOP hands, there has to be photos of construction workers in front of signs with thumbs up and captions that says Thanks Trump. Obama tried that before but all we saw were signs and no one actually doing anything. Yes, Congress is in charge of the spending so if Trump wants to keep Congress on his side, he needs to get them to build big things that people can use everyday.

Hate to tell you this but if Obamacare fails, people will blame Obama and their local Congressman. Then Nancy Palosi will be speaker again, God forbid.
I hate to ask, but huh? 

Let's look at the logic.

If Obamacare fails, people will blame Obama, which I assume is bad for Dems. . . advantage Pelosi?  Not sure either way, but I would think not.
If Obamacare fails, people with blame their local Congressman. . . advantage Pelosi?  I guess it depends what local region.

I don't get your logic in connecting Obamacare failure, with blame on Obama, then Pelosi being speaker. . . could happen?  Sure.  But don't get your logic there.

In reality, the "truth" of the failure will be put on Trump.  So would anything that happens if Obamacare is repealed.  From what little I know of Obamacare, it was probably a good idea, but poor in execution, mismanagement and an attempt to force things on an industry that wasn't ready or willing for it. 

rklapp

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #102 on: May 04, 2017, 09:03:27 AM »
With the passing of Trumpcare in the House, the Reps who voted yea can go home during the break and tell their constituents that they fulfilled their promise to repeal Obamacare. Next will be the updated CBO report which will tell us if the $8B is enough to cover the high risk pools and how many will lose their coverage. If it's a significant amount (like more than a couple million), then the Dem contenders can figure out how many in their district will lose coverage and make TV ads touting this. The moderate Reps were holding out to the end of the vote to figure out the minimum number of votes needed to pass the bill without jeopardizing the House seats. It's more than a coincidence that the bill passed by two votes. In about a month, the Senate will vote on their version of the Trumpcare bill and if it passes, then it goes back to the House. If it passes, then Trump can finally sign the bill.
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drck1000

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #103 on: May 04, 2017, 10:39:52 AM »
With the passing of Trumpcare in the House, the Reps who voted yea can go home during the break and tell their constituents that they fulfilled their promise to repeal Obamacare. Next will be the updated CBO report which will tell us if the $8B is enough to cover the high risk pools and how many will lose their coverage. If it's a significant amount (like more than a couple million), then the Dem contenders can figure out how many in their district will lose coverage and make TV ads touting this. The moderate Reps were holding out to the end of the vote to figure out the minimum number of votes needed to pass the bill without jeopardizing the House seats. It's more than a coincidence that the bill passed by two votes. In about a month, the Senate will vote on their version of the Trumpcare bill and if it passes, then it goes back to the House. If it passes, then Trump can finally sign the bill.
So how does all of that lead to people blaming Obama and their local Congressman.  And then to Pelosi becoming speaker again? 

The Pelosi thing, I guess if the Dems turn the tide.  I don't see how much blame will be on Obama.  It will be all on Trump, good or bad.  At least that's how I see it.

rklapp

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #104 on: May 04, 2017, 03:28:01 PM »
So how does all of that lead to people blaming Obama and their local Congressman.  And then to Pelosi becoming speaker again? 

The Pelosi thing, I guess if the Dems turn the tide.  I don't see how much blame will be on Obama.  It will be all on Trump, good or bad.  At least that's how I see it.
That's true now. With the passing of the Trumpcare bill in the House, Rep. Boehner's advice applies. If you break it, you bought it.
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drck1000

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #105 on: May 04, 2017, 03:42:10 PM »
That's true now. With the passing of the Trumpcare bill in the House, Rep. Boehner's advice applies. If you break it, you bought it.
I think Trump gets the blame regardless. Obamacare fails, Trump promised to fix, so Trumps fault.

Trumpcare works, he's still get liberals criticizing. Much like how you are.

However, you said previously that "Hate to tell you this but if Obamacare fails, people will blame Obama and their local Congressman. Then Nancy PElosi will be speaker again". That doesn't jive with what you said in the last couple posts. Huh?


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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #106 on: May 04, 2017, 03:44:48 PM »
I think Trump gets the blame regardless. Obamacare fails, Trump promised to fix, so Trumps fault.

Trumpcare works, he's still get liberals criticizing. Much like how you are.

However, you said previously that "Hate to tell you this but if Obamacare fails, people will blame Obama and their local Congressman. Then Nancy PElosi will be speaker again". That doesn't jive with what you said in the last couple posts. Huh?


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drck1000

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #107 on: May 04, 2017, 03:52:58 PM »
You're playing chess with a pigeon ....
Lol

I'm genuinely trying to figure out what he's saying or trying to say. 

Reminds me of some of the rabid gay liberal people that I know in Seattle. They are so blinded by Trump hate. Ask them to explain what they hate about Trump or why they hate him so, their attempts at explanations are usually illogical meandering, much like someone here.


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rklapp

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #108 on: May 04, 2017, 04:20:43 PM »
It's a two way street. I'm learning more about what Trump supporters are thinking. I've disliked the guy ever since the first episode of The Apprentice first aired. If you want to label me as a rabid gay liberal then I guess I can label you as something derogatory also. However, I do enjoy our discussions.

At first I thought it was Obama and Congress that will be blamed but as of today, Trump now owns healthcare.
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drck1000

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #109 on: May 04, 2017, 04:39:59 PM »
It's a two way street. I'm learning more about what Trump supporters are thinking. I've disliked the guy ever since the first episode of The Apprentice first aired. If you want to label me as a rabid gay liberal then I guess I can label you as something derogatory also. However, I do enjoy our discussions.

At first I thought it was Obama and Congress that will be blamed but as of today, Trump now owns healthcare.
I don't think you are a rabid gay liberal. You just remind me of these two specific people who are and their rants are much like yours.

Never really cared either way for Trump. When he started his presidential run, I'm like "he must be bored". That said, hate him all you want, but he's much better than HRC.


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punaperson

Re: Are you guys okay with this?
« Reply #110 on: May 04, 2017, 07:29:09 PM »
At first I thought it was Obama and Congress that will be blamed but as of today, Trump now owns healthcare.
You really think that had Trump/Congress taken no action at all on the ACA (aka "Obamacare") and the thing spiraled down into total chaos, as it would have without serious shoring up by Congress, that Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi would have said, "Yes, it's a total disaster and a disgrace, and it's all Obama's fault."? Or even that the "resistors" would have blamed Obama or any Democrats? The "exchanges" have been failing left and right and premiums for most families have increased enormously, yet the "resistors" have NEVER laid that at the feet of Obama or Democrats... they want "single payer", and they'll blame the "other party" forever until they get that.