How Hungary Managed To Erase Illegal Immigration In Just A Few Months (Read 8329 times)

Flapp_Jackson

EXCLUSIVE: ‘It Was An Invasion’: How Hungary Managed To Erase Illegal Immigration In Just A Few Months




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"They don’t even try,” a local border guard tells The Daily Caller News Foundation. “We haven’t had a Syrian in six months.”

Rewind back to September 2015 and there’s a completely different picture. Thousands of migrants streamed across the border every day as they made their way north to Austria, Germany and Scandinavia.

“It was an invasion,” Laszlo Toroczkai, the mayor of Asotthalom, told TheDCNF. “Illegal immigration is a crime in a normal country. It’s not a normal thing to break into a country.”

Toroczkai decided to start a war on illegal immigration. He wanted a fence, and the government agreed.

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Hungary’s second border fence has just been completed in the southern town of Asotthalom. The 96-mile long, 14 ft. tall double-line of defense doesn’t look too intimidating from a distance.
Go a little closer and you’ll notice several layers of razor-wire capable of delivering electric shocks, cameras, heat sensors and loudspeakers ready to tell migrants they’re about to break
Hungarian law if they as much as touch the fence.

Add a few hundred military officers and “border hunters” and it’s virtually impossible to break.


http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/30/exclusive-it-was-an-invasion-how-hungary-managed-to-erase-illegal-immigration-in-just-a-few-months/#ixzz4fs9JnNZJ
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

rklapp

I doubt this pathetic wall could stop Mexicans. For Hungary, there are easier alternatives. Unfortunately for us, not so with Mexicans.
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Flapp_Jackson

I doubt this pathetic wall could stop Mexicans. For Hungary, there are easier alternatives. Unfortunately for us, not so with Mexicans.

Can you explain your doubts?  You have a tendency to post opinions but never seem to support them with facts, studies, examples or evidence.

For example, Why are Mexicans more resourceful than Syrians? 
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

rklapp

Can you explain your doubts?  You a tendency to post opinions but never seem to support them with facts, studies, examples or evidence.

For example, Why are Mexicans more resourceful than Syrians?
I can say the same about most replies from everyone on this forum. It's pretty much what we do.

The fence shown in the photo could be easily circumvented using common tools. The thing about Mexicans is that they have a lot of time and resources available. That's why Trump wants to build a wall and not extend the existing fence.
Yahh! Freedom and justice shall always prevail over tyranny, Babysitter Girl!
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Flapp_Jackson

I can say the same about most replies from everyone on this forum. It's pretty much what we do.

The fence shown in the photo could be easily circumvented using common tools. The thing about Mexicans is that they have a lot of time and resources available. That's why Trump wants to build a wall and not extend the existing fence.

Did you read, or just look at the picture?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

westside22

A double fence with barbed wire, electronic monitoring and ARMED border guards to turn unwanted visitors around not bring them in. A fence will be fast, less expensive and perhaps less intimidating to the liberal do gooder eliments in our country. The point being we need to do this fast and be tough in enforcing the signs posted along the barrier.

"Illegals Not Welcome" 

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omnigun

Call me when 60% of the illegals fly in on proper visa and overstay.  When those are stopped then the wall will work 100%

Flapp_Jackson

Call me when 60% of the illegals fly in on proper visa and overstay.  When those are stopped then the wall will work 100%

Do you take Tylenol to treat a headache, high blood pressure and a bacterial infection?

No, you take Tylenol to treat what it treats, Lisinopril for what it treats, and Amoxicillin for what it treats.

Arguing one solution is ineffective at combating all types of illegals in the US, and should therefore not be attempted, is quite ignorant on it's face.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

whynow?

Hungary's history includes muslim invasion by the Ottoman turks in the 16-17th centuries so they are well aware of stopping muslim invasion through immigration.   The Hungarians were also the first to try and remove the Soviets in 1956 through armed revolution.  I give Hungary a lot of respect for standing up to invaders.  Glad they are able to stop this new plague.

 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Hungary

rklapp

Did you read, or just look at the picture?
What do you think?

Arguing one solution is ineffective at combating all types of illegals in the US, and should therefore not be attempted, is quite ignorant on it's face.
But spending $21B to treat some of the symptoms is ridiculous. I don't understand those who are socially conservative and fiscally liberal. Spending billions on Reagan's star wars plan was useful as an empty deterrent against the Soviets. A giant ass $21B wall is not going to deter determined Mexicans. Trump already allocated $1.5B for border security today. I say let's leave it at that, let's make America great, and let's start building highways, bridges, and airports.
Yahh! Freedom and justice shall always prevail over tyranny, Babysitter Girl!
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Flapp_Jackson

What do you think?
But spending $21B to treat some of the symptoms is ridiculous. I don't understand those who are socially conservative and fiscally liberal. Spending billions on Reagan's star wars plan was useful as an empty deterrent against the Soviets. A giant ass $21B wall is not going to deter determined Mexicans. Trump already allocated $1.5B for border security today. I say let's leave it at that, let's make America great, and let's start build highways, bridges, and airports.

I think you didn't read the words about electrified razor wire, heat sensors, loud speakers, redundant barriers and hundreds of guards and "immigrant hunters."

You have yet to address the reduction in illegals as it represents cost to the nation each year and how it will offset the cost of the wall, even though that's been explained time and again.

Would you like some pictures of how that works?   :geekdanc:

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Surf

The reality is $21B is nowhere near unreasonable even as only one layer, or one measure in regards to national border security.  Think WTF is Hawaii spending on a stupid elevated train to put that into perspective.  Who are the greater idiots?

If you travel and take note, in a larger portion of the world other countries take immigration much more serious than the U.S. and it is damn time that we start taking it more serious also.  I also get sick and tired of hearing people whine and say "well what about this" or "until we do this" and therefore we should ignore other measures, or pretty much not do a damn thing.  That is the exact attitude of bureaucracy that has been a stranglehold on getting anything done and has turned our immigration and border security issue into the pure clusterfuck that it is today.  Hey how about this for a change...why don't we actually DO SOMETHING, anything.  At least it is something different than what we have been doing which is NOTHING.  And we can see how well NOTHING has been going for us.

Surf

Oh btw, if the story is indeed accurate, Kudos to Hungary!

RSN172

Welcome one and all to Hawaii, the great sanctuary of the Pacific.  May Ige and the rest of the liberal Dumocrats get their wish.
Happily living in Puna

drck1000

I think you didn't read the words about electrified razor wire, heat sensors, loud speakers, redundant barriers and hundreds of guards and "immigrant hunters."

You have yet to address the reduction in illegals as it represents cost to the nation each year and how it will offset the cost of the wall, even though that's been explained time and again.

Would you like some pictures of how that works?   :geekdanc:


I like how MT, ND, SD, and ME have really low costs.  Reminds me of that scene in Gran Torino where Wally says "you'd think the cold would keep the idiots away". 

Though I did see report of the Canadian border recently becoming a much bigger concern.  Stuff like illegals taking the risk of crossing the Canadian border in the middle of winter, getting frostbite and such.

They were talking about the costs of supporting immigration (both legal and illegal) on NPR this morning.  Appears to be a huge issue in France as that region deals with migrants, mostly Syrian.  The French official guy said something like "it's not that we aren't compassionate, but if we keep spending our funds to support those coming into out country, then we put the entire country at risk for failure". 

rklapp

Yes, I recognize that you have offered a graphic based on spurious data. It's hilarious when politicians pull statistics like $113B out of their ass and hold them up for us like a bouquet of flowers then tell us to inhale.  :wacko:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/sep/01/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-illegal-immigration-costs-113-bi/

There is no evidence that a $21B wall will lower the speculated $113B cost of illegal immigration. Infrastructure is something real that Americans can use and make America great.  :thumbsup:  All that the wall would do is make Trump great and leave the rest of us with the bill.
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Surf

Infrastructure is something real that Americans can use and make America great.  :thumbsup:  All that the wall would do is make Trump great and leave the rest of us with the bill.
Like spending over 10 billion dollars for an elevated train, or roughly a half a billion dollars per mile and "leaving the rest of us with the bill" ?  You mean great like that?

Flapp_Jackson

Yes, I recognize that you have offered a graphic based on spurious data. It's hilarious when politicians pull statistics like $113B out of their ass and hold them up for us like a bouquet of flowers then tell us to inhale.  :wacko:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/sep/01/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-illegal-immigration-costs-113-bi/

There is no evidence
that a $21B wall will lower the speculated $113B cost of illegal immigration. Infrastructure is something real that Americans can use and make America great.  :thumbsup:  All that the wall would do is make Trump great and leave the rest of us with the bill.

Other countries have walls and fences, and they do work to keep out illegals who would have crossed illegally there.  I posted Hungary as a very recent example.  Israel is another.

That's called EVIDENCE.

You choose to argue "but Mexicans are different" to dismiss this real evidence.

Do you have evidence Mexicans would not be kept out when other countries have shown barriers do work?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

rklapp

Do you have evidence Mexicans would not be kept out when other countries have shown barriers do work?
Have you met a Mexican? (That was meant as a compliment and not an insult.)
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Flapp_Jackson

Have you met a Mexican? (That was meant as a compliment and not an insult.)

That's probably the stupidest thing I've read this week (after some of your posts, that's quite an achievement!!).

 :wtf:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw