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changemyoil66

What happens to all the CCW bills proposed?
« on: May 09, 2017, 09:06:57 AM »
Like the title says.  There were 3 this year, and none were voted on or held a testimony.  So what happens now?  Do they have to be resubmitted next session?

I would like to know so I can do my part and push these bills with my rep.
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RSN172

Re: What happens to all the CCW bills proposed?
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2017, 09:33:10 AM »
It is my honest opinion that NO CCW bills will EVER be passed in the Hawaii state legislature.  Our only hope is on a national level which will be appealed and tied up in Hawaii courts for another 10-20 years.  Being that I am already collecting SSA payments, I have very dim hopes of ever seeing the right to legally carry a firearm in Hawaii in my lifetime.
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punaperson

Re: What happens to all the CCW bills proposed?
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2017, 12:20:12 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on May 09, 2017, 09:06:57 AM
Like the title says.  There were 3 this year, and none were voted on or held a testimony.  So what happens now?  Do they have to be resubmitted next session?

I would like to know so I can do my part and push these bills with my rep.
I'm not at all certain, but I believe that they are "held over" for next session (Hawaii legislative "sessions" are two years) and have the same status as at the end of the 2017: introduced and referred to committees. Next session/year it will again be up to committee chairpersons whether or not to schedule hearings. Since none have ever been scheduled in all the years that Senator Slom annually introduced a CCW bill, I suspect the same pattern to hold. We can continue to call and email the committee chairs, but they have thus far stonewalled me and not responded at all to emails, and assistants over the phone tell me "no decision has been made"... what they don't say is "But remember that snowball in hell?. Dream on you gun nut." The only likely source of relief is from either a federal law (like national reciprocity that recognizes non-resident permits in the person's home state) or a judicial decision that would mandate a change in Hawaii law "as applied" (i.e. the arbitrary and capricious "exceptional case" term can NOT mean "there is no such thing as an exceptional case").

I wish I had better news.  :shaka:
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punaperson

Re: What happens to all the CCW bills proposed?
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2017, 12:26:39 PM »
Quote from: RSN172 on May 09, 2017, 09:33:10 AM
It is my honest opinion that NO CCW bills will EVER be passed in the Hawaii state legislature.  Our only hope is on a national level which will be appealed and tied up in Hawaii courts for another 10-20 years.  Being that I am already collecting SSA payments, I have very dim hopes of ever seeing the right to legally carry a firearm in Hawaii in my lifetime.
Ahhh... what's another 20 years?  We've waited this long... :rofl:

The only state in the Union where any person who exercises their right to bear arms is necessarily a criminal (not one single person has a license "legalizing" exercising the right).

That's some "choice" our sworn-oath-to-uphold-the-constitution(s) government officials have "given" us!  :wtf:



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rklapp

Re: What happens to all the CCW bills proposed?
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2017, 03:40:24 PM »
It would be exciting if Trump signed an EO allowing CCW in all 50 States. Technically, it's allowed in Hawaii but never happens.
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zippz

Re: What happens to all the CCW bills proposed?
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2017, 04:41:45 PM »
Quote from: rklapp on May 09, 2017, 03:40:24 PM
It would be exciting if Trump signed an EO allowing CCW in all 50 States. Technically, it's allowed in Hawaii but never happens.

Not going to happen.  EO's are internal policies or clarifications for Federal agencies based on existing laws and regulations, it has no effect on the States.  Even the reciprocity law in congress is stretching their powers as it uses the commerce clause as a means to exceed limits on federal powers.
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rklapp

Re: What happens to all the CCW bills proposed?
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2017, 12:28:01 AM »
Quote from: zippz on May 09, 2017, 04:41:45 PM
Not going to happen.  EO's are internal policies or clarifications for Federal agencies based on existing laws and regulations, it has no effect on the States.  Even the reciprocity law in congress is stretching their powers as it uses the commerce clause as a means to exceed limits on federal powers.
Hasn't stopped Trump so far. It would be exciting. We could do our own marches downtown in support of the EO.
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RSN172

Re: What happens to all the CCW bills proposed?
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2017, 05:44:44 AM »
Quote from: rklapp on May 10, 2017, 12:28:01 AM
Hasn't stopped Trump so far.

It didn't stop BO from EO either.
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punaperson

Re: What happens to all the CCW bills proposed?
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2017, 06:43:34 AM »
Quote from: rklapp on May 10, 2017, 12:28:01 AM
Hasn't stopped Trump so far.
Name the executive orders he has issued that override/nullify the laws of all 50 states.
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changemyoil66

Re: What happens to all the CCW bills proposed?
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2017, 08:16:36 AM »
At least he wont be afraid to create an EO even though it wont hold up.
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drck1000

Re: What happens to all the CCW bills proposed?
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2017, 08:55:59 AM »
Quote from: rklapp on May 10, 2017, 12:28:01 AM
Hasn't stopped Trump so far. It would be exciting. We could do our own marches downtown in support of the EO.
I don't think you are understanding what EOs are and are for.

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Executive Orders (EOs) are legally binding orders given by the President, acting as the head of the Executive Branch, to Federal Administrative Agencies. Executive Orders are generally used to direct federal agencies and officials in their execution of congressionally established laws or policies.

Ok.  The word generally is in there.  As in EOs could be used to direct federal agencies and officials in their execution of policies NOT congressionally established, which is appears that is what you believe.  If yes, please provide an example.  I'm not saying that there aren't as there are literally hundreds of EOs for each President, so it's not like we, or at least I, hear about all of them.  So there may be some that you're thinking about, so I am interested in examples of that. 
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rklapp

Re: What happens to all the CCW bills proposed?
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2017, 08:57:03 AM »
I didn't say it would be successful. I said it would be exciting.
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drck1000

Re: What happens to all the CCW bills proposed?
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2017, 09:04:55 AM »
Quote from: rklapp on May 10, 2017, 08:57:03 AM
I didn't say it would be successful. I said it would be exciting.

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Surfsker

Re: What happens to all the CCW bills proposed?
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2017, 01:32:14 AM »
Ask/bribe/blackmail the honolulu police commision to select Sherrif David A Clark as chief of police. Problem solved.

"What's your reason for applying?"
"Cause I can?"
"Approved!"
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changemyoil66

Re: What happens to all the CCW bills proposed?
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2017, 08:34:42 AM »
Quote from: Surfsker on May 11, 2017, 01:32:14 AM
Ask/bribe/blackmail the honolulu police commision to select Sherrif David A Clark as chief of police. Problem solved.

"What's your reason for applying?"
"Cause I can?"
"Approved!"

^^^^He would say that or, "why didn't you apply sooner?"
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RSN172

Re: What happens to all the CCW bills proposed?
« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2017, 08:38:51 AM »
In Hawaii, they would look for someone like Robinson or his ilk to make sure no one gets a permit.
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punaperson

Re: What happens to all the CCW bills proposed?
« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2017, 09:03:44 AM »
Quote from: RSN172 on May 11, 2017, 08:38:51 AM
In Hawaii, they would look for someone like Robinson or his ilk to make sure no one gets a permit.
In other words, someone who will unquestioningly follow orders (indirectly) given by the people who "selected" Ige, Chin, et al.
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Surfsker

Re: What happens to all the CCW bills proposed?
« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2017, 03:55:16 PM »
I think one of you smarty pants should draft a bill similar to the one that would punish the mayor/officials of sanctuary cities for crimes committed to its legal citizen residents.

Maybe not criminal accomplice charges but at least civil lawsuits? Anyone that applies and is denied a CCW and is then a victim of ANY crime that a firearm could have prevented could sue. Our testimonies don't mean jack, forget saying pretty please.. Line up the lawsuits!
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