The Chinese got it! (Read 12053 times)

ren

The Chinese got it!
« on: May 12, 2017, 06:56:11 AM »
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oldfart

Re: The Chinese got it!
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2017, 07:12:53 AM »
Saw the story on the news last night.
Pretty arrogant. Has wealthy foreign investors to support him.
Doesn't do much to help locals get affordable housing.
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omnigun

Re: The Chinese got it!
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2017, 02:52:53 PM »
I say we let all the rich people build and buy as many expensive units as they want.  They will eventually have to come here and more rich people means more money we get from them. 

oldfart

Re: The Chinese got it!
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2017, 03:18:35 PM »
I say we let all the rich people build and buy as many expensive units as they want.  They will eventually have to come here and more rich people means more money we get from them.
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Not just that. They also buying up houses in old neighborhoods. I'm pretty sure they're causing the prices to jump.
Inspector....is this correct?
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whynow?

Re: The Chinese got it!
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2017, 09:15:53 PM »
I believe that any property in HI has to be owned by citizens and not foreigners.   Foreigners might be able to lease but not own.   Other than the BI none of the islands are growing.

RSN172

Re: The Chinese got it!
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2017, 05:40:56 AM »
In the late 80s the Japanese drove housing prices up.  Now it is the Chinese turn.  Next will be rich Koreans.  Don't want these guys buying on the BI and causing my property tax to go up. Mayor Kim already wants to raise it 6%.
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Inspector

Re: The Chinese got it!
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2017, 07:42:04 AM »
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Not just that. They also buying up houses in old neighborhoods. I'm pretty sure they're causing the prices to jump.
Inspector....is this correct?
I don't know what the demographics are on this island. In the multimillion dollar condo complex I am currently working on I see mostly Japanese and Chinese with some locals and a few haoles mixed in. On the Big Island the Chinese are buying up homes pretty quickly as are those from India and Japan. But the homes are much cheaper over there so I am sure the demographics are going to be different here as compared to over there.

The prices go up because of having more buyers than homes to supply them with. Typical supply and demand. Here are the official Oahu statistics:

http://www.hicentral.com/oahu-historical-data.php

Here is a HNN story from a few years ago:

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/30634656/priced-out-of-paradise-mainland-foreign-buyers-snapping-up-hawaii-homes

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oldfart

Re: The Chinese got it!
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2017, 08:12:12 AM »
I don't know what the demographics are on this island. In the multimillion dollar condo complex I am currently working on I see mostly Japanese and Chinese with some locals and a few haoles mixed in. On the Big Island the Chinese are buying up homes pretty quickly as are those from India and Japan. But the homes are much cheaper over there so I am sure the demographics are going to be different here as compared to over there.

The prices go up because of having more buyers than homes to supply them with. Typical supply and demand. Here are the official Oahu statistics:

http://www.hicentral.com/oahu-historical-data.php

Here is a HNN story from a few years ago:

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/30634656/priced-out-of-paradise-mainland-foreign-buyers-snapping-up-hawaii-homes
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My coworker is retiring soon and he just sold his old home in Kalihi to a Chinese guy. Pretty sure it was an investor because he did not bother to look at it very well.
He just wanted to close fast.

You younger folks should google Genshiro Kawamoto and the Japanese investors of that time period.
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RSN172

Re: The Chinese got it!
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2017, 08:47:03 AM »
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My coworker is retiring soon and he just sold his old home in Kalihi to a Chinese guy. Pretty sure it was an investor because he did not bother to look at it very well.
He just wanted to close fast.

You younger folks should google Genshiro Kawamoto and the Japanese investors of that time period.
I know Kawamoto very well.  Worked for him for 5 years and have at least 400 hours of direct face to face contact with him.  He was nuts.  Had all these luxury homes in Kahala but never stayed in any of them.  He preferred staying in a $1500 a night suite at the Halekulani. 
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whynow?

Re: The Chinese got it!
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2017, 08:57:17 AM »
I don't know what the demographics are on this island. In the multimillion dollar condo complex I am currently working on I see mostly Japanese and Chinese with some locals and a few haoles mixed in. On the Big Island the Chinese are buying up homes pretty quickly as are those from India and Japan. But the homes are much cheaper over there so I am sure the demographics are going to be different here as compared to over there.
Heard one realtor saying that she has had inquiries from Koreans wanting to move since the NOKO thing is heating up.

The thing about this Johnson Fang guy wanting to sell mainly to Chinese, is that people from a communist country come here and don't like the freedoms we enjoy since they didn't have the same, then want to take the freedoms away.  Couldn't find the info, but I'm betting Johnson Fang is based out of Frisco.   We don't need this type here anyways.

Rocky

Re: The Chinese got it!
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2017, 10:47:51 AM »

The thing about this Johnson Fang guy wanting to sell mainly to Chinese, is that people from a communist country come here and don't like the freedoms we enjoy since they didn't have the same, then want to take the freedoms away. 

Can't find it but I posted about a female Chinese immigrant (legal) who was born and raised in communist China (Mao this, Mao that) and was running for office in Colorado based upon how folks here have NO IDEA how fortunate they are and the freedoms allowed here in the US.
Her political poster showed her holding her AK, something that would have been a "terminal" offense in her homeland.
If you can find it and read her views, they are totally contrary to what you believe.
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ren

Re: The Chinese got it!
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2017, 11:47:06 AM »
Heard one realtor saying that she has had inquiries from Koreans wanting to move since the NOKO thing is heating up.

The thing about this Johnson Fang guy wanting to sell mainly to Chinese, is that people from a communist country come here and don't like the freedoms we enjoy since they didn't have the same, then want to take the freedoms away.  Couldn't find the info, but I'm betting Johnson Fang is based out of Frisco.   We don't need this type here anyways.

and hence we have all these twisted SJWs...who then erode our security with "undocumented persons" BS. Heck.  I see a zebra.
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Rocky

Re: The Chinese got it!
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2017, 04:56:35 PM »
and hence we have all these twisted SJWs...who then erode our security with "undocumented persons" BS. Heck.  I see a zebra.


I see Zebra too !
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whynow?

Re: The Chinese got it!
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2017, 09:15:28 PM »
Can't find it but I posted about a female Chinese immigrant (legal) who was born and raised in communist China (Mao this, Mao that) and was running for office in Colorado based upon how folks here have NO IDEA how fortunate they are and the freedoms allowed here in the US.
Her political poster showed her holding her AK, something that would have been a "terminal" offense in her homeland.
If you can find it and read her views, they are totally contrary to what you believe.
Sure there are immigrants from China and other countries who fled communist control and took to heart the freedoms of their new country the USA.  But I believe those who come here or buy property here for financial gains do not accept American freedoms so readily.   China is still their country.
The video I found is of a guy from China, now American, who shreds gun control at a public hearing.   But he was a asylum seeker to leave communism not like an investor.

oldfart

Re: The Chinese got it!
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2017, 10:20:23 PM »
as a soon-to-be grandfather, I worry about my kids being priced out of a decent house.

IIRC the median is already up to $733k
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My son and his wife both earn great incomes, but oh my goodness.... that's a lot.
 :(
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Inspector

Re: The Chinese got it!
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2017, 05:40:05 AM »
Some of the people, both foreign and American are not going to be living in the multi million dollar condos full time. I am not sure what that means? Are they retired and spending time here and then time somewhere else? I have a friend who is retired and owns three condos in three countries (one in Hawaii). And he lives in each condo four months out of each year. Do they have business here and use the condo as a place to live while they are here on business? Are they using the condo as a vacation home?

Now, I also know for a fact that there are a few investors in the condo complex. They already bought up some of the best units and are already up for sale as a flip. And at least double what they paid.
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oldfart

Re: The Chinese got it!
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2017, 07:03:55 AM »
Some of the people, both foreign and American are not going to be living in the multi million dollar condos full time. I am not sure what that means? Are they retired and spending time here and then time somewhere else? I have a friend who is retired and owns three condos in three countries (one in Hawaii). And he lives in each condo four months out of each year. Do they have business here and use the condo as a place to live while they are here on business? Are they using the condo as a vacation home?

Now, I also know for a fact that there are a few investors in the condo complex. They already bought up some of the best units and are already up for sale as a flip. And at least double what they paid.
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That kind of investing does nothing to help the local population. Is it any wonder why families are moving away from Hawaii?
Many of my nieces have moved. Many of my in-laws have moved. Another in law is in the process of moving.
Our 2A friend kimo 841gun just moved. My old co-worker moved years ago.

Now that I've added up all the losses, it kind of ticks me off.
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K30l4

Re: The Chinese got it!
« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2017, 07:28:46 AM »
Can't find it but I posted about a female Chinese immigrant (legal) who was born and raised in communist China (Mao this, Mao that) and was running for office in Colorado based upon how folks here have NO IDEA how fortunate they are and the freedoms allowed here in the US.
Her political poster showed her holding her AK, or AR15...

Sounds like Lily Tang Williams

Jl808

Re: The Chinese got it!
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2017, 07:34:57 AM »
A friend of mine is moving to Las Vegas at the end of the year to stay with her son due to the high cost of living in Hawaii. Her lease went up 8% last year and is going up again this year.

I won't say what she does but she is one of the VERY FEW experts in a fiend that Hawaii will lose forever.
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oldfart

Re: The Chinese got it!
« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2017, 08:11:20 AM »
A friend of mine is moving to Las Vegas at the end of the year to stay with her son due to the high cost of living in Hawaii. Her lease went up 8% last year and is going up again this year.

I won't say what she does but she is one of the VERY FEW experts in a field that Hawaii will lose forever.
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Ok you got me curious now.
Pm me about that mysterious field and I'll tell you all about mawws. :rofl:

Oh btw, I have a special field too. Seriously.
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