something you would want ?? home defense ? (Read 16375 times)

macsak

Re: something you would want ?? home defense ?
« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2017, 02:42:29 PM »
There has been successful suits of people using any sort of defense against a intruder where they can sue.  They can still sue you for using this pepper spray bomb.

"successful suits of people"?
like on "silence of the lambs"?

Inspector

Re: something you would want ?? home defense ?
« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2017, 02:43:48 PM »
"successful suits of people"?
like on "silence of the lambs"?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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London808

Re: something you would want ?? home defense ?
« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2017, 03:03:47 PM »
There has been successful suits of people using any sort of defense against a intruder where they can sue.  They can still sue you for using this pepper spray bomb.

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whynow?

Re: something you would want ?? home defense ?
« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2017, 09:07:58 PM »
if you're intent on a pepper spray for HD, consider pepper balls shot out of a paintball gun like a Tipmann TiPX or similar.  It will localize the OC to mainly the target instead of like a grenade.   Downside is the pepperballs are expensive.  SALT pepperballs are about $50 for box of 10 with a 5 yr. shelf life per the maker.   I bought a box of 500 paintballs to practice with instead of using  the pepper ball for practice.   If you buy the marker separately from the pepperballs it will be cheaper than the SALT kit.  Check Amazon.
From your post, your home has stairs.  To think out of the box, I would also consider a water gun or "tactical" spray bottle (kidding) filled with oil or soap to spray on the stairs if invaders approach.   Also consider making caltrops aka metal kid's jacks to throw on the stairs to slow down invaders.  Should be easy to cleanup afterwards.  Like a home alone scenario, get some old alley 15-16 lb. bowling balls to roll down the stairs at invaders, but might damage stuff.
Although I got the pepperballs mainly to use in the open garage from an intruder prior to me utilizing more lethal protection, I prefer a handgun, pump shotgun or lever rifle in pistol caliber for HD. 




zippz

Re: something you would want ?? home defense ?
« Reply #25 on: May 25, 2017, 09:18:43 PM »
Understandably this is not something you would want to fire off for a casual occasion, we are talking about defending your home from intruders in which case the last thing I would be worried about is this stuff getting on my furniture or the inconvenience caused  to police or EMS.

If you're shot, stabbed, and unconscious, the police and EMT's aren't going to enter the house cause they don't know what type of chemical is in there.  Also the bad guy could still be in there and police won't go in cause they'll get blinded.  Something like 5% of the population is immune to pepper spray, that bad guy might be in that lucky 5%.  I've seen people get sprayed and act like it was salt water.

ren

Re: something you would want ?? home defense ?
« Reply #26 on: May 25, 2017, 11:49:35 PM »
HPD approved!  :thumbsup:


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RSN172

Re: something you would want ?? home defense ?
« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2017, 06:54:40 AM »
This is my first line of defense.  No owner input or operation required.  Picture taken while in process of moving to BI when they were almost 2.  They are a little bigger now that they are 5. IF the intruder(s) get pass them, I will have had plenty of time to get my AR15 and put on my earmuffs.
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changemyoil66

Re: something you would want ?? home defense ?
« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2017, 09:51:04 AM »
I look at OC as another tool to use instead of having to use deadly force with what ever tool.  It's 1 more step prior to use of deadly force.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: something you would want ?? home defense ?
« Reply #29 on: May 26, 2017, 09:58:53 AM »
I look at OC as another tool to use instead of having to use deadly force with what ever tool.  It's 1 more step prior to use of deadly force.

I look at things of this nature as a show of preparedness.  If I have pepper spray grenades and don't hesitate to use them, what else do I have?  Alarms going off from a panic button, dog barking .... it's all about being prepared.

The more you resist, the less likely the perp is willing to stay and continue whatever they came there to do.  Announcing, "I have a gun, and I will kill you if you don't leave" can go a long way toward deterrence, too.

Any advantage you can take is one more thing the perp will have to factor into his evaluation of "is this worth it?"
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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drck1000

Re: something you would want ?? home defense ?
« Reply #30 on: May 26, 2017, 10:05:09 AM »
The thing about pepper spray (bomb or direct spray) and stuff like CS is that it doesn't discriminate.  It truly "goes with the flow". 

Reminds me of when I was living in Seattle and the WTO protest marches would run by my office.  A few coworkers decided it was a good idea to observe from the third floor of the open air parking garage next to our office.  It was pretty safe from the protesters throwing stuff and police on the street.  Well, one day, the protesters started breaking stuff.  Cars, shop windows, etc.  Less lethal shotgun rubber stuff didn't phase anyone.  So out comes the gas.  Gas clears most of the chaos on the street, but then the wind shifts and the cloud starts headed toward the garage.  You can guess what happened next.  We see our coworkers scattering just like the protestors.  It was actually pretty funny.   :rofl:

I guess I could see a use for something like this, but I wouldn't choose to use it for home defense.  That said, I would be interested in seeing someone try this as an experiment to see how effective it is.  Like how LE recruits have to go through getting sprayed in training. 

London808

Re: something you would want ?? home defense ?
« Reply #31 on: May 26, 2017, 11:06:12 AM »
That said, I would be interested in seeing someone try this as an experiment to see how effective it is.  Like how LE recruits have to go through getting sprayed in training.

If I can find somewhere to test it I'm up for a show and tell with one of them.
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

changemyoil66

Re: something you would want ?? home defense ?
« Reply #32 on: May 26, 2017, 12:18:33 PM »
If I can find somewhere to test it I'm up for a show and tell with one of them.

PVC piping, duct tape, and trash bag to make an enclosed tent.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: something you would want ?? home defense ?
« Reply #33 on: May 26, 2017, 12:23:58 PM »
If I can find somewhere to test it I'm up for a show and tell with one of them.

How about wherever the next anti-Trump demonstration takes place?    :geekdanc:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

RSN172

Re: something you would want ?? home defense ?
« Reply #34 on: May 26, 2017, 02:28:36 PM »
PVC piping, duct tape, and trash bag to make an enclosed tent.
That's too small.  I think he would rather use your house LOL
Happily living in Puna

Surf

Re: something you would want ?? home defense ?
« Reply #35 on: May 26, 2017, 04:40:27 PM »
It would definitely be an extremely narrow situation where it's use would be appropriate.  Then you had best be able to have everyone that you care about with an appropriate respiratory set up.  It is something you would not want to figure out if it's application is appropriate without quite a bit of training.   In other words you don't want to actually "pop smoke" for the first time when it is for real and find out the hard way.  Heck you should have done it a few times in training first and then you might find out how limited it's use would be.  Probably figure out it's not a good idea. I would say that most people would not be prepared for the use of it and could put yku or loved ones at far more of a disadvantage than one might think.

eyeeatingfish

Re: something you would want ?? home defense ?
« Reply #36 on: May 30, 2017, 10:07:27 AM »
Understandably this is not something you would want to fire off for a casual occasion, we are talking about defending your home from intruders in which case the last thing I would be worried about is this stuff getting on my furniture or the inconvenience caused  to police or EMS.

This is an area denial tool, meaning it's either used to deny access or make some one flee. In a home invasion scenario it could be used to deny access to an area of the house for example in a 2 story house one of these dropped down a stairway would deny and intruders access to an upper area and/or force them out of a lower area.

It could be thrown into a garage, garden, yard or drivewayto deny access or remove intruders from that area.

For your standard burglar this would be an effective deterrent but I would still fear exposing yourself. I would assume that even if you throw it downstairs and shut the door that you will still be exposed. But for a determined attacked I don't think it would be so effective. I would prefer a controllable device.

To me, this tool works better offensively, say against a barricaded individual. Fill the room and he will want to come out.

It would make for hilarious booby traps. Put one in a car, watch the criminal go inside, then activate the unit watching him come out coughing and crying. Not as good as bikes with rope tied to it but still entertaining.