New Attack Dog for CCW (Read 8628 times)

suka

New Attack Dog for CCW
« on: June 01, 2017, 08:35:12 PM »
Well I took Maj. Robinson's'  advice and bought myself a big dog for CCW. 
Got the German Sheppard and training it to attack on command.

Two plus point is it will be a service dog and can be carried everywhere even when firearms are not allowed (courtrooms, police stations, post office etc......)
another will be it does not require any type of license to be carried only a dog registration.   





suka

Re: New Attack Dog for CCW
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2017, 08:38:24 PM »
Costco greater : Is that a service Dog?

Me : Yes, it is.

Costco greater :  What does it do?

Me :  Its trained on command to attack people...... Please do not pet him.


Flapp_Jackson

Re: New Attack Dog for CCW
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2017, 08:44:18 PM »
Costco greater : Is that a service Dog?

Me : Yes, it is.

Costco greater :  What does it do?

Me :  Its trained on command to attack people...... Please do not pet him.

I think by law, the greeter can't ask about the dog's function/training.  That would potentially divulge private medical information about the owner.

"What does he do?  He calms me down so my PTSD doesn't get triggered by people giving me crap about my dog so I wind up in jail for attempted murder .....


....  AGAIN!!"    :wacko:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

suka

Re: New Attack Dog for CCW
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2017, 08:46:47 PM »
Those are the only two LEGAL question any business  can ask....... No more no less.

drck1000

Re: New Attack Dog for CCW
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2017, 09:09:06 PM »
That's a damn cute attack pup! Would lick you into submission!


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Flapp_Jackson

Re: New Attack Dog for CCW
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2017, 09:13:11 PM »
Nice looking puppy!  I have one that's 11 years old this month.  Amazed he's still with me and healthy.  Average for a large breed of his size is 8-10 years I've been told.

His color is "Sable."

Cozmo at about 7 weeks:



Cozmo at 10 years:

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

suka

Re: New Attack Dog for CCW
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2017, 09:16:47 PM »
Cute but not for long.
Never train any of my dogs to attack yet, we will see how it goes.......I think the hardest part is the "OFF" button for the dog.




suka

Re: New Attack Dog for CCW
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2017, 09:17:54 PM »
nice one Flappy. ;)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: New Attack Dog for CCW
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2017, 09:21:57 PM »
Those are the only two LEGAL question any business  can ask....... No more no less.

Close enough.  Here's what I found ....

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In situations where it is not obvious that the dog is a service animal, staff may ask only two specific questions:

(1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability? and

(2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform?

Staff are not allowed to request any documentation for the dog, require that the dog demonstrate its task, or inquire about the nature of the person's disability.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: New Attack Dog for CCW
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2017, 09:37:19 PM »
I got mine from a breeder in Mililani -- Von Billheim German Shepherds.  His website is down, so they may have stopped or changed their name.  I know he was discussing moving the kenel to the North Shore.

Cozmo comes from a good bloodline that's AKC registered, but still developed hip dysplasia.  Kind of killed my idea of breeding him.

His 2 siblings were sold and shipped to a company in Amsterdam that trains them for working dogs, according to the breeder. 

We are glad we got this one, even with the hips.  Smart, protective, safe around people we know, has never bitten anyone, but has a bark that even scares me!

He only had 2 accidents in the house, and one was my daughter's fault for not watching him.  After that, 100% house broken without any fuss.

I crate trained him, and it was the first time I've done that.  Worked great!  Helped house break him, and I have a cage he feels safe in for when I need to isolate him if we have someone coming in, like for an appliance delivery.

I will definitely crate train any other puppies I get.   :thumbsup:

I just wish vet bills weren't so high.  I would have had 2 or 3 if I could have afforded the checkups, vaccinations and treatments when they needed it.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

RSN172

Re: New Attack Dog for CCW
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2017, 07:30:52 AM »
Cute but not for long.
Never train any of my dogs to attack yet, we will see how it goes.......I think the hardest part is the "OFF" button for the dog.

Yes when a dog is in attack mode it can be difficult to get them to stop.  Two of my Rottweilers, and they are sisters, got into a fight with each other a couple of years ago and my wife and daughter couldn't get them to stop.  Good thing I was in the house, but it took me about 20 seconds to separate them.  Both were bleeding but not bad enough to need stitches.  One and only time that happened.

One time we had a service guy who had to come in the house.  3 of the dogs were locked in the bedroom and we told him to wait till we put the 4th one away.  He did not listen, opened the door and started to come in when my dog growled and charged. Good thing he only had one foot in, managed to back out and close the door.  We put that one in a wire crate in the living room where he had to connect the TV cable.  He was nervous the whole time but it made him work extra fast.

We have had friends over but they need to go through a ritual.  They come in, sit on the bar chairs around our bar height dining table and we bring in the one dog that has been socialized to meet them.  Then the 3 unsocialized come in, see that they are ok and smell them for a minute.  Once the dogs lay on the floor, our guests can move about but we tell them don't make sudden movements or speak in loud excited tones.  Everything is good at that point and we can enjoy the evening.

What I would really like is a trained attack chimp, but chimps are too dangerous once they become adults.
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drck1000

Re: New Attack Dog for CCW
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2017, 10:55:32 AM »
A neighbor growing up had many German Shephards. Super smart, loyal, and sometimes pretty entertaining. IIRC, they tend to have hip problems "later" in life, like 9-12 ish. Believe that's why at least two of the neighbors shephards eventually had to be put down. :(


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Flapp_Jackson

Re: New Attack Dog for CCW
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2017, 11:04:44 AM »
A neighbor growing up had many German Shephards. Super smart, loyal, and sometimes pretty entertaining. IIRC, they tend to have hip problems "later" in life, like 9-12 ish. Believe that's why at least two of the neighbors shephards eventually had to be put down. :(


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Yes, the hips are just one problem caused by too much in-breeding.  There are efforts happening to try and correct that, but it'll take a long time, assuming the sub-standard genes can be bred out through careful mate selection.

I had my pup's hips X-Rayed at 1 year old.  His Ball and Socket joints looked more like a pencil inside of a hollow rubber ball.   Lots of space between the surfaces of the joint.  I was told he'd be okay until about 5 years, then may have arthritis so bad he can't walk.  At almost 11, he's still going up * down stairs and walking okay.  You can tell his rear end is "out of alignment", but he can still motivate at a good pace.

It's recommended you take X-Rays before he's of breeding age.  If the hips are bad, it's better to have him/her fixed so they don't pass on the problem to their puppies.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: New Attack Dog for CCW
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2017, 12:37:07 PM »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Rocky

Re: New Attack Dog for CCW
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2017, 08:30:32 AM »
   All but one of the dogs in my life were Shephed's (Min Pin).
American/Canadian, West German, Russian etc.. but my favorite was the short haired Belgian Shepherd.

   Totally loyal Family oriented dogs.
Teach them to love you and there is no need to train them to attack.
They'll do it on their own.   :thumbsup:
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

RSN172

Re: New Attack Dog for CCW
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2017, 05:53:41 AM »
   All but one of the dogs in my life were Shephed's (Min Pin).
American/Canadian, West German, Russian etc.. but my favorite was the short haired Belgian Shepherd.

   Totally loyal Family oriented dogs.
Teach them to love you and there is no need to train them to attack.
They'll do it on their own.   :thumbsup:
This study shows otherwise.
http://www.newson6.com/story/20049010/would-your-dog-protect-you-from-an-intruder

This shows fatalities by breed.  I've owned 3 pit bulls in the past.  All were socialized and affectionate.  Scary looking but too affectionate to strangers. That is why I did not socialize 3 of my 4 Rottweilers. 
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changemyoil66

Re: New Attack Dog for CCW
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2017, 01:28:10 PM »
Like Cesar says, you train the human not the dog.  Many think they can handle a pit bull but can't.  That's why most of the animals at the Humane Society are pitts or pitt mixed.

I rather have a tactical squirrel.

drck1000

Re: New Attack Dog for CCW
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2017, 01:34:16 PM »
This study shows otherwise.
http://www.newson6.com/story/20049010/would-your-dog-protect-you-from-an-intruder

This shows fatalities by breed.  I've owned 3 pit bulls in the past.  All were socialized and affectionate.  Scary looking but too affectionate to strangers. That is why I did not socialize 3 of my 4 Rottweilers.
I thought I recall somewhere that a study showed that the retriever breed (various types) were one of the highest numbers of dog bits.  Not sure if that was because of the vast number of retrievers out there and just pure numbers as opposed to tendencies.  That and it wouldn't or couldn't factor in things like mistreatment where dogs are essentially defending themselves. 

drck1000

Re: New Attack Dog for CCW
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2017, 01:37:35 PM »
One of my best friends has mixed pit rescue.  SUPER SWEET and loves visitors.  Has an awesome sense of being careful with little kids as opposed to adults.  When I see her, she's super excited and I have to practically tackle her to calm down.  Anyways, while she is super sweet, she is a big and very powerful animal.  And my buddy's father is a former professional dog trainer, so he knows a thing or two about training and handling dogs.  Even then, the youthful exuberance of this pit is both endearing, but something that even adults have to be wary of.  Not in a malicious way, but more of a bull in a china shop way. 

RSN172

Re: New Attack Dog for CCW
« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2017, 09:47:48 PM »
I think if Rottweilers were as common as Pitbulls, their percentage of fatalities would be higher than Pits.  I do know that a Rottie's bite is a lot stronger than a Pit.
Bite force study:  Pitbulls 235 lbs.  GSD. 238 lbs.  Rottweiler. 328 lbs.
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