Home defense (Read 71938 times)

Inspector

Re: Home defense
« Reply #40 on: April 23, 2012, 11:42:08 AM »
Found this article that sort applies to this subject:

http://www.handgunsmag.com/2012/04/16/the-shelf-gun-for-home-defense/

Enjoy!
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Re: Home defense
« Reply #41 on: April 24, 2012, 09:48:13 AM »
Found this article that sort applies to this subject:

http://www.handgunsmag.com/2012/04/16/the-shelf-gun-for-home-defense/

Enjoy!

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Re: Home defense
« Reply #42 on: April 28, 2012, 08:43:58 AM »
That's my next purchase. Or something like it.

+1 - a disposable firearm.

mauiblue

Re: Home defense
« Reply #43 on: May 04, 2012, 08:39:13 PM »
My Glock 19 is my primary HD weapon. SureFire X200 light with pressure switch is attached and a LaserMax guide rod laser installed as well as night sights. JHP ammo loaded up and ready to rock.

CSaladino

Re: Home defense
« Reply #44 on: July 04, 2012, 01:35:30 PM »
I have a glock 22 in a holster and a mossberg 500 cruiser in hand with 00 buck!

Jkeone808

Re: Home defense
« Reply #45 on: July 04, 2012, 03:15:02 PM »
I think the best choice, given you have room to manipulate it, is a 12 gauge. I don't. I live in an old house where there are very tight corners and handling my shotgun and moving around my house would be very difficult. I keep my rem 870 next to my bed loaded with 00 buck for if the fight ever comes to me. But if I ever have to leave my bedroom and walk around to check a noise or something I have a glock 21sf loaded with hornady critical defense.
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Re: Home defense
« Reply #46 on: August 26, 2012, 01:13:38 PM »
Both!

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Re: Home defense
« Reply #47 on: August 26, 2012, 05:37:29 PM »
I run a 10.5" AR and a Sig 226, dont even own a shotgun anymore.  I am looking at Remington autos, wanna do an 11-87 SBS'ed with a suppressor like the one on "No Country for Old Men".

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Re: Home defense
« Reply #48 on: August 27, 2012, 03:46:56 PM »
I run a 10.5" AR and a Sig 226, dont even own a shotgun anymore.  I am looking at Remington autos, wanna do an 11-87 SBS'ed with a suppressor like the one on "No Country for Old Men".

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Re: Home defense
« Reply #49 on: August 27, 2012, 05:39:32 PM »
in Hawaii?

Neg. He lives in the America that Hawaii needs to emulate.  ;)

Normanmp

Re: Home defense
« Reply #50 on: September 12, 2012, 09:58:25 AM »
In a perfect world the most usefull homedefense gun would be one that delivers massive firepower to end a threat or the shear pressence of it makes an intruder go running/flying out whatever door/window is closes. At the same time a point that is often under condisered is over penitration. In Hawaii many of our houses are very close togeather and not made of brick or a very hard exterior expecially the upper floors. So with that being said to fire apon an intruder and end the threat would only be a marginal victory if you end up killing your sleeping neighbor. Our most popular home defense rounds none are that great at staying in your intended target much less the ones that miss. There are allternatives on the market such as the glasser blue safety slugs for one and they are probably the best example and the best choice for a home defense designated hangun or rifle. They will do some massive damage to your intended target but are a lot more likely to stay in that target and not over penetrate to much. Shotguns are by far the best home defense choice out there.

Why? Though you would never ask! If you thinking its because they are a point and shoot your target is blown against the wall kind of affair...well they are not they are alot more complicated than that but yet they have some amazing qualitys. First long guns are easier to control when the fecal matter hits the fan... ask any body who has ever been in a serious fight for there life either with a gun or fist or in any way shape or form actually and they will probably tell you they fine motor control was gone. Its a fact of nature your blood rushes to your core muscle control is difficult plus your mind is running a mile a minute and thinigs get confusing and simple task become painstakingly hard...such as dialing 911, your fingers just wont hit the numbers you tell them too, or some how you just dropped the mag out of your pistol and you would swear you never touched the mag release. So shotguns are inherently simple, mine is stored mag full snap cap in the chamber hammer down, this means I can pick it up rack the slide and it is ready to fire, no safety to worry about and the sounds of a pump racking is a sound known across the world and will make all but the most hardened criminals crap there pants and run. 00 buck is my perfered choice of shotgun rounds, were else can you hit some one with the equivelent of 9 shots from a 9mm in one blow talk about fire power... But since my current house in not brick or concrete I have had to change that to #4 shot. I choose a lead unplated turkey load, they patter well out of my shotgun and they will likely penetrate threw a single wall in my interior but not two or the exterior, and if they did the amount of energy they will be carring on the other side carrys minimal liabiliy to me. A shotgun still requires aiming and light. That is why mine is set up with a white light and ghost ring sites, the sites are not necessary at inside the home distances but they remind me to aim... and that is a must. White light is one of the most important features you can have on any gun in your home. You must be able to see what you intend to shoot, and if you intend to shoot it, you must identify it!!! This is so important and often overlooked in casual training. It could be a family member a friend the dog or someone with out the intention of hurting you and yours.Remeber just cause we have the right to shoot doesnt mean we should, there is nothing worse than taking a life unneccesarly, even if you are in the right. Trust me on this you dont want to live with that grief.

So shotguns are easy to handle, if you think they are aquard and overly long then take some training, there are some very easy ways to shorten a shotguns profile in your hands, you can use the bicept method for pieing corners or opening doors and still have compleate control over the firearm. They are devastating in there firepower, while they still have to be aimed they are a lot easier to aim than a pistol expecially when fine motor control goes out the window. There presence is immidiately know, its pretty hard to not notice a shotgun were a pistol could be over looked and not deter a half way serious perp. There are numerous ways that shotguns are better for your geneal home defense but allways remeber they gun you have with you is better than the one left behind. Dont get me wrong my 1911 is still on the bed side, right next to my shotgun, one does not take the place of the other, a shotgun might be a little to much for the late night door bell ring, and difficult to hide in the event its just a neighbor needing help or asking a question, even more awquard if its the cops bring your kid home...We must continue to think about these types of issues and share what we learn, this is an ever growing subject and the vast majority of us are way behind the curve, training and practice there are no store bought substitutes.

Tom_G

Re: Home defense
« Reply #51 on: September 12, 2012, 12:19:58 PM »

http://www.handgunsmag.com/2012/04/16/the-shelf-gun-for-home-defense/


Huh... this guy and I have nearly identical views on this subject!  (Although he neds to update his research on what the "original FBI load" was!)
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Re: Home defense
« Reply #52 on: September 15, 2012, 09:10:08 PM »
What has two thumbs and needs a shotgun-specific home defense class? This guy right here.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Wish we had some kind of training. Watched a few videos to not be completely clueless, but it's not enough.
I’m becoming clinically undepressed and thinking about beginning it all.

GZire

Re: Home defense
« Reply #53 on: September 17, 2012, 09:52:14 AM »
I run a 10.5" AR and a Sig 226, dont even own a shotgun anymore.  I am looking at Remington autos, wanna do an 11-87 SBS'ed with a suppressor like the one on "No Country for Old Men".
in Hawaii?
Neg. He lives in the America that Hawaii needs to emulate.  ;)

..............then again Nick might shoot the intruders in the eyes with the huge bottle of lube he keeps on the nightstand...............

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Re: Home defense
« Reply #54 on: September 17, 2012, 09:33:37 PM »
People that I have talked to who do "specialized work" suggest the 2 gun method.  A mid level power handgun 9mm .40 sw .38  close to you as possible.  This handgun will be your protection until you can get to your heavy power.  Then keeping a more tactical gun ar or one guy said he loves him lever action in short barrel.
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Re: Home defense
« Reply #55 on: September 19, 2012, 02:59:44 PM »
Ideally, what Tom G said - Carbine if waiting for BG to come to me.  If not a carbine, a SG.  The SG is fine but I just don't train enough with it......sometimes I forget to rack and hear nothing when I pull the trigger or sometimes I eject live rounds.  Unfortunately god said I could only choose one:  Good looks or brains. 

Ideally, what Cougar said - Handgun if moving about the home.

I don't know why.....but I think I'd feel pretty comfortable with just a machete too.  Must be the Visayan blood or something.......or my good looks....see above.

hnl.flyboy

Re: Home defense
« Reply #56 on: September 19, 2012, 09:05:23 PM »
Ideally, what Tom G said - Carbine if waiting for BG to come to me.  If not a carbine, a SG.  The SG is fine but I just don't train enough with it......sometimes I forget to rack and hear nothing when I pull the trigger or sometimes I eject live rounds.  Unfortunately god said I could only choose one:  Good looks or brains. 

Ideally, what Cougar said - Handgun if moving about the home.

I don't know why.....but I think I'd feel pretty comfortable with just a machete too.  Must be the Visayan blood or something.......or my good looks....see above.

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I keep my AR and SG in opposite ends of my room "cruiser ready" (chamber empty, hammer down, and safety off).  I don't intend on leaving the room.  When about the house, it's either a holstered gun with one in the pipe, or a revolver in the pocket with a full cylinder.  I don't really have a "shelf gun" as they eventually go to the range, but between range trips, that's how they're left.
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Re: Home defense
« Reply #57 on: September 22, 2012, 06:46:19 AM »
Do you all lock up the weapons every morning before going to work or not at home or leave them as they are?  Id be worried about liability if somene broke in and stole my hardware.

bass monkey

Re: Home defense
« Reply #58 on: September 22, 2012, 09:45:21 PM »
I lock mines up. Someone is usually always home though.

I've got another question and decided to post here instead of making a new thread. Do you guys prefer flashlights or lasers on your pistols/riffles?
I heard a noise last night and went to inspect. Looked at my open sights and couldn't see a thing, so was wondering what you guys do. I guess night sights would be a great starting point.

Kingkeoni

Re: Home defense
« Reply #59 on: September 22, 2012, 10:30:31 PM »
I lock mines up. Someone is usually always home though.

I've got another question and decided to post here instead of making a new thread. Do you guys prefer flashlights or lasers on your pistols/riffles?
I heard a noise last night and went to inspect. Looked at my open sights and couldn't see a thing, so was wondering what you guys do. I guess night sights would be a great starting point.

I run night sights and a light on my home defense pistol.
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