For me, it's not about fearing the system.  It's the principle of the matter of having to effectively register to exercise a right.

You mean you've drawn a line beyond all the other lines violating the "right to keep and bear arms" in Hawaii laws (registration, waiting periods, bans on this, that and the other things, de facto ban on bearing arms, etc., etc., etc.)?

It seems kind of silly.

But... me too. 

You mean you've drawn a line beyond all the other lines violating the "right to keep and bear arms" in Hawaii laws (registration, waiting periods, bans on this, that and the other things, de facto ban on bearing arms, etc., etc., etc.)?

It seems kind of silly.

But... me too. 

Well, yeah, that's exactly what I'm doing.  For now. . . 

Honestly, I was ok with all of that at the time, which was before I got more into gun laws, 2A issues, etc.  I'm still somewhat of the "business as usual" of what was required previously.  Just a lot of things about RapBack and the way it went down really bothered me.  Other than the TRO process, there wasn't anything that put your firearm ownership rights at risk without due process that RapBack has potential for.  It's not that I have anything to hide in a background check.  I've been vetted at a much higher level than the average gun owner has.  Not bragging here, just sharing how I see things.

For those who have no problems with RapBack or did so begrudgingly, I have no issues with that either.  There are other staunch 2A supporters that I know that their need/desire for firearms outweighed their issues with RapBack, and I respect that.  Totally.  Just for me, it's a line that I've been holding. 

And yeah, preaching to the choir here.  Just venting a bit. 

For me, it's not about fearing the system.  It's the principle of the matter of having to effectively register to exercise a right.

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Yup.
I see some wonderful stuff for sale that is so tempting but  then I think about ratback and the fee and it makes me more upset at the legislators.

I passed on a couple of rifles that Cinder10 was selling in part due to RapBack. It wasn't like I NEEDED them, but they would have been nice to have. RapBack gives me pause, though. I'm not saying I'll never buy a gun because of RapBack, but I am saying I will only buy something very, very special.

I passed on a couple of rifles that Cinder10 was selling in part due to RapBack. It wasn't like I NEEDED them, but they would have been nice to have. RapBack gives me pause, though. I'm not saying I'll never buy a gun because of RapBack, but I am saying I will only buy something very, very special.

This is pretty much how I am right now.  Been getting tempted more and more recently.  While I wouldn't rule out buying something, as long as RapBack is "on", it will have to be something more than "I wouldn't mind owning one of those". 

I am in a little different boat because in 11 months I will move to Georgia and not worry about this type of crap anymore.

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I applaud the efforts to fight this and just like any of these court battles, they drag on and on, all the while impacting our Second Amendment rights and making gun ownership more difficult and costly!

What's really sad is that any pro- 2a law(s) affecting Hawaii will only happen at the federal level, unless we win some court battles. Any state laws will only further erode and infringe on our 2a rights. Hawaii is just so liberal and controlled by the democrats. I'm surprised the state hasn't tried to have grandfathered weapons registered. It's very frustrating...I wish we could get good republican/conservative candidates to seek office and rally enough voter participation to actually get them elected to change the landscape. I see Bob McDermott will be running for Governor and his chances to win are slim to none. I know him and wish him the best, although I don't always agree with some of his positions, but we've had the governorship...the legislature makeup must change. We all know this but it just keeps getting worst. We're right behind California with the insanity. :

I am in a little different boat because in 11 months I will move to Georgia and not worry about this type of crap anymore.

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I assume you're military. Most military people who get stationed here are blown away by the ridiculous guns laws in Hawaii. I imagine eleven months can't come soon enough with regards to our insane gun laws, but otherwise, hopefully you enjoyed your tour in Hawaii and will have some fond memories.

I am in a little different boat because in 11 months I will move to Georgia and not worry about this type of crap anymore.

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Smartest thing I've read in a long time.

I assume you're military. Most military people who get stationed here are blown away by the ridiculous guns laws in Hawaii. I imagine eleven months can't come soon enough with regards to our insane gun laws, but otherwise, hopefully you enjoyed your tour in Hawaii and will have some fond memories.

Yes.  Got here in 2011 and retiring next year.

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Smartest thing I've read in a long time.

Lol.  I still have a fight though after I leave.  Getting all of my registrations out of Hawaii's bullshit registration system.

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Lol.  I still have a fight though after I leave.  Getting all of my registrations out of Hawaii's bullshit registration system.

As it stands now, I don't think you can do that. Maybe if you sold/transferred all your firearm through/to an FFL that documentation would allow for a note to be added to your database entry/file folder that all the guns you once owned here have been transferred. But that registration information in and of itself... pretty sure that's never going anywhere, even if they tell you otherwise. The statist socialist tyrants like having as much data on everyone as possible... even outdated erroneous data. They need some excuse should the "need" arise for a 3 AM no-knock raid on your home wherein your dog and you and maybe the rest of your family are killed by authorities as you resisted their intrusion: "He had an arsenal."

I am in a little different boat because in 11 months I will move to Georgia and not worry about this type of crap anymore.

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I would be saving up for the 2-3 (or more) suppressors already.


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As it stands now, I don't think you can do that. Maybe if you sold/transferred all your firearm through/to an FFL that documentation would allow for a note to be added to your database entry/file folder that all the guns you once owned here have been transferred. But that registration information in and of itself... pretty sure that's never going anywhere, even if they tell you otherwise. The statist socialist tyrants like having as much data on everyone as possible... even outdated erroneous data. They need some excuse should the "need" arise for a 3 AM no-knock raid on your home wherein your dog and you and maybe the rest of your family are killed by authorities as you resisted their intrusion: "He had an arsenal."

No FFL is required at all. I will first attempt with my Federal orders requesting through HPD a denial of de-registration. Then I will use a notarized letter to start off with when there that all firearms in their records have been transferred.

Get those tax stamps ready!

I would be saving up for the 2-3 (or more) suppressors already.


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Already all over it but I will see how the bill progresses through Congress.

Already all over it but I will see how the bill progresses through Congress.

Damn if I wouldn't go broke on ammo and stuff like suppressors if I moved to someplace like AZ or NV.


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I will make sure and post up some pictures of my own personal 500yd range on my own property when I get there.  It is the first project getting done.

I will make sure and post up some pictures of my own personal 500yd range on my own property when I get there.  It is the first project getting done.

You suck. . . 

I would love to have a 500 yard range with steel on my property.  But yeah, it would be great to see what kind of range you set up.  Make us all jealous. 

I will make sure and post up some pictures of my own personal 500yd range on my own property when I get there.  It is the first project getting done.

Dying to see those pics!!!