I saw this on Fox News a few days ago and thought that it was scary from a Hawaii firearms permit standpoint.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/02/09/shyness-illness-in-dangerous-health-book-experts-say/

I seem to recall internet stories about people here being denied firearms permits for similar reasons. One story I heard was about a man who told his doctor that he was depressed about the death of a parent and another man who got into an argument with his doctor for some reason, and had firearms permits denied.

Does anyone have any real factual stories about Hawaii firearms permits being denied for similar reasons?

Tom

Thats why you dont tell your doctors shit about anything psychological.

Then again do you want guys who have psychological problem legally having a firearm?

One day that person having a good day, the next day they go on a rampage because someone cut him off on the street. Its just hurt all the firearms community in the long run.

I saw this on Fox News a few days ago and thought that it was scary from a Hawaii firearms permit standpoint.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/02/09/shyness-illness-in-dangerous-health-book-experts-say/

I seem to recall internet stories about people here being denied firearms permits for similar reasons. One story I heard was about a man who told his doctor that he was depressed about the death of a parent and another man who got into an argument with his doctor for some reason, and had firearms permits denied.

Does anyone have any real factual stories about Hawaii firearms permits being denied for similar reasons?

Tom

Heard  1 story of being denied for bed wetting from the LIFE class and when you think about it  if you can't control you bodily function imagine you pull the trigger all of the sudden becuase you can't control your finger becuase all of a sudden it twitches..

Another one is from my doctor who had a patient who ahd a divorce that was just full of anger and got denied and that guy never went back as his patient ever again and after he punch the wall too.
(NOTE: My doctor is not anti-gun and his son shoots competitively in the mainland. My doctor got no problem talking with me about guns :-D)

Its all about self control. Will

Thats why you dont tell your doctors shit about anything psychological.

I agree with that 100%

Then again do you want guys who have psychological problem legally having a firearm?

One day that person having a good day, the next day they go on a rampage because someone cut him off on the street. Its just hurt all the firearms community in the long run.

My problem with this article is, some those aren't REAL, psychological problems, just minor problems blown out of proportion. Should you be declared mentally defective because of this? 

Heard  1 story of being denied for bed wetting from the LIFE class and when you think about it  if you can't control you bodily function imagine you pull the trigger all of the sudden becuase you can't control your finger becuase all of a sudden it twitches..

Another one is from my doctor who had a patient who ahd a divorce that was just full of anger and got denied and that guy never went back as his patient ever again and after he punch the wall too.
(NOTE: My doctor is not anti-gun and his son shoots competitively in the mainland. My doctor got no problem talking with me about guns :-D)

Its all about self control. Will

1. I see no reason why an incontinent person should be denied a firearm.
2. The second instance must be the one that I heard about. 

Id sue my doctor for breach of confidentiality

Id sue my doctor for breach of confidentiality

You have given away your rights in this regard. If you want a firearms permit, you give permission for HPD to access your medical records.

If you need to see a psychologist find one on your own. Don't tell your medical doctor about it. HPD would never know as long as you don't tell them. Some people need to see a psychologist to cope with things beyond their understanding like a death of a family member. That should in no way disqualify you from owning a gun. HPD can't even do proper checks on their own employees, look at the rampant corruption in their own ranks.

Id sue my doctor for breach of confidentiality

You can't.

Remember the little waiver you signed in order to buy the firearm?

It gives YOUR permission to have any and all information disclosed.

This entire subject makes me sad.

I'm going to my shrink and have him give me some happy pills.

Then I'm going to play with guns.

After you put the voices in your head to bed.
Huh? Potato? You're not making any sense. I still have to drive my cantaloupe to the monkey's end before it disappears.

Ooh guns.

Then again do you want guys who have psychological problem legally having a firearm?

One day that person having a good day, the next day they go on a rampage because someone cut him off on the street. Its just hurt all the firearms community in the long run.

This is straight out of the Brady Campaign's playbook.  What's your definition of a psychological problem?  The APA has 350.  Want to bet you don't fit the bill on ANY of them?  I probably do, just like everyone else.  I'd love to know what percentage of those 350 pose a serious risk to others.  Personally, I don't think depression is a justifiable reason to strip someone's rights from them.  Maybe they'll commit suicide if we let them keep their guns, maybe they'll drive their car off a bridge.  The only mental health disorders that *should* bar a person from firearms ownership are the ones where they lock you up in a padded room, and only as long as you're in there.  If you're healthy enough to walk around, drive cars, care for your children, and function in society, then you're healthy enough that you shouldn't have your human rights infringed.

After you put the voices in your head to bed.
Huh? Potato? You're not making any sense. I still have to drive my cantaloupe to the monkey's end before it disappears.

Ooh guns.

lmao......needed that!

Another "under the radar" ploy --but this one not directly from His Presidentship.

It's not paranoia, it's just that my radar works pretty good.

Terry, 230RN

1. I see no reason why an incontinent person should be denied a firearm.
2. The second instance must be the one that I heard about. 

Incontinence can be caused by several pathologies, some mental, most physiological. The story referenced to the LIFE class was about an adult, who AS A CHILD, had a bedwetting problem. As an adult he had no such issue. However, when HPD did the background check, they used his childhood incontinence issue as the basis for denying him a PTA.

As for the DSM V reference manual that is the center of this issue, it is commonly used (in its current iteration, DSM IV) in classifying different mental conditions. It is a useful tool, to a degree, but the changes that include things like shyness in the new edition are the problem. Even within the news article, it notes an opinion that the new definitions will "will pathologise a wide range of problems which should never be thought of as mental illnesses."

Regardless, there should be some objective data that a physician or healthcare provider must provide in order to make the claim that a patient is unfit for gun ownership. And, while I support some level of immunity for those required to make the reports, I also think that immunity should be withdrawn if it was clear that a personal anti-gun agenda drove the decision to disqualify someone.