Are We Nearing Civil War? (Read 21405 times)

eyeeatingfish

Re: Are We Nearing Civil War?
« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2017, 08:47:45 PM »
People who don't like trump out number the people who do.

This is a very difficult thing to quantify for a number of reasons.

1. "Like" is not something that is generally measured in polls. Polls often measure if someone will vote a certain way or whether they approve, not whether they "like" the individual.
2. "Like" cannot be accurately inferred from votes or approval ratings.

Case in point, someone may not like Trump but still have voted for him or approve of the job he is doing.

Now if you want to modify your statement to argue that those who do not approve of Trump outnumber those who do then you could use recent approval ratings to support your argument. However good luck proving how many people "like" Trump.

davgdavg

Re: Are We Nearing Civil War?
« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2017, 08:50:53 AM »
Not without something big happening. If something like another Great Depression happened and people started to go hungry I can see a civil war starting.

aieahound

Re: Are We Nearing Civil War?
« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2017, 05:25:52 PM »
Would it be Civil War or Revolution ?

If the extreme Left started a violent movement against the Government, or parts of the Government, how many extreme Right folks would join the Government to fight the Left ?

Who would the Government arrest in such a case ?
Would they deputize the Extreme Right which pretty much hates them as much as the Left ?

Would it be both sides against the middle (the Government)?
The common enemy. 

Would the Left start a full scale direct guerrilla attack on the Right ? (Or vice versa)
Would the Racists joining the Right swing the Minorities to the Left ?

Interesting...

Inspector

Re: Are We Nearing Civil War?
« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2017, 06:06:06 PM »
Would it be Civil War or Revolution ?

If the extreme Left started a violent movement against the Government, or parts of the Government, how many extreme Right folks would join the Government to fight the Left ?

Who would the Government arrest in such a case ?
Would they deputize the Extreme Right which pretty much hates them as much as the Left ?

Would it be both sides against the middle (the Government)?
The common enemy. 

Would the Left start a full scale direct guerrilla attack on the Right ? (Or vice versa)
Would the Racists joining the Right swing the Minorities to the Left ?

Interesting...
I think it would be a civil war.

What makes you think that the left has not already started direct attacks on the right? I believe this shooting is only the beginning.
What makes you think the racists would join the right? I see the left as being racist much more than the right.

JMHO
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eyeeatingfish

Re: Are We Nearing Civil War?
« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2017, 06:28:35 PM »
I think it would be a civil war.

What makes you think that the left has not already started direct attacks on the right? I believe this shooting is only the beginning.
What makes you think the racists would join the right? I see the left as being racist much more than the right.

JMHO

I find it hard to imagine an actual civil war anytime soon.

So many states with so many dynamics, who would be fighting who? Could you unify enough liberals from across the country to where they could actually fracture the country?

London808

Re: Are We Nearing Civil War?
« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2017, 06:48:10 PM »
I believe the civil war will proceed the next big economic collapse and will caused by the succession of leftist states who think that their way is better and they can do better without the right holding back progress.

I can see this happening in the next 10-20 years
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rhironaka808

Re: Are We Nearing Civil War?
« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2017, 07:56:01 PM »
....... We live in one of those leftist states. Hypothetically, What would you Should this occur tomorrow?

London808

Re: Are We Nearing Civil War?
« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2017, 08:01:20 PM »
....... We live in one of those leftist states. Hypothetically, What would you Should this occur tomorrow?

Leave,
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

robtmc

Re: Are We Nearing Civil War?
« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2017, 08:40:33 PM »
If the extreme Left started a violent movement against the Government, or parts of the Government, how many extreme Right folks would join the Government to fight the Left ?

The government and the left (extreme or not) are essentially the same these days, particularly in leftist stes like HI, NY, CA, MA, NJ, etc.

Witness the poleeeces refusing to stop liberal thugs beating their enemies in Calf and Oregon.

If liberals here start shooting at cars with "veteran" license plates, do not expect the poleece to worry so much about it other than a token response. 

If someone targets Obozo/liberal bumper stickered cars, watch out............

hvybarrels

Re: Are We Nearing Civil War?
« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2017, 08:51:37 PM »
Interesting times. Republicans supporting a NY elitist with multiple marriages and a history of supporting liberal causes. Democrats supporting a hawkish southern Mcarthyist ex-first lady who's deep in bed with Wall Street. Americans are so used to losing no matter who wins that we are willing to flip the script just to try something different.

The whole thing is so depressing people are actually fantasizing about civil war.

Pretending to be offended does not make you a good person.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Are We Nearing Civil War?
« Reply #30 on: June 16, 2017, 10:53:26 PM »
I believe the civil war will proceed the next big economic collapse and will caused by the succession of leftist states who think that their way is better and they can do better without the right holding back progress.

I can see this happening in the next 10-20 years

How do you think it would play out? The governor of California orders the national guard to attack Texas? A grass roots group of lefties attack Arizona and lefty states do nothing to help?

I think that as divided as we are, that the left would have trouble getting the US military to attack another state or state national guard.  A lot can happen in 20 years of course.

rhironaka808

Re: Are We Nearing Civil War?
« Reply #31 on: June 17, 2017, 03:43:30 AM »
Leave,
[/quote you're going to leave the farm & go where?

RSN172

Re: Are We Nearing Civil War?
« Reply #32 on: June 17, 2017, 05:37:30 AM »
Leave,
[/quote you're going to leave the farm & go where?

He is from the UK so he could go back home.  I already figured things will get bad and moved out of the city, which is basically ALL of Oahu to a remote part of Puna.  Even Big Island people have told me I live in the boonies, LOL.
Happily living in Puna

London808

Re: Are We Nearing Civil War?
« Reply #33 on: June 17, 2017, 05:53:57 AM »
He is from the UK so he could go back home.

Fuck that i would rather die. America is my home,
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

Inspector

Re: Are We Nearing Civil War?
« Reply #34 on: June 17, 2017, 06:08:43 AM »
I find it hard to imagine an actual civil war anytime soon.

So many states with so many dynamics, who would be fighting who? Could you unify enough liberals from across the country to where they could actually fracture the country?
Yes it is hard to imagine an actual civil war occurring anytime soon. I think it truly depends on how conservatives/republicans/independents respond to having a target on their back. So from what I have seen, I have seen the conservatives/republicans/independents respond to 8 years of the Bush administration with democrats in control of the senate for 6 of those years and 8 years of the Obama administration watching Obama rule by executive order and they responded by voting in Trump. And you are now witnessing how the left/democrats/liberals/progressives are responding. To my way of thinking some of them have overstepped the bounds of the law and have incited all the violence we have seen against the conservatives/republicans/independents. As long as the conservatives/republicans/independents continue to respond by using the ballot box there will probably never be a civil war as I see it. But if they begin to respond in kind like the left has, we will begin to see lines drawn.

I don't think you are going to see a civil war in the way you are imagining it as state against state. Though I can see a scenario where a handful of states will try and secede. I am thinking it is going to be more in lines with the old stories of the Hatfields vs McCoys. In other words, brother against brother, families against family, neighbor against neighbor. How would you feel if your daughter came home from school beat to a pulp because she is whatever color you are and because her daddy is a crazy nut job gun supporting republican. BTW, it does not matter whether you are a republican or not. You are automatically labeled that because of your support for 2A. And when you go to her school to complain about her not being protected from this shit they tell you what do you expect? How would you feel if you were a republican wanting to play baseball and some fanatic guy came up and shot you just because he hates you just because you are a republican? The hate rhetoric is being ratcheted up on both sides. However, the left is going way overboard and IMHO crossing the line of inciting hatred and violence.

With all of this said, would more leftists move to the coasts to avoid the right? And vice versa? Already see that especially in Kalifornia. Just like here in Hawaii there are no republicans running against the democrats in some districts now. Which means every year they become more one sided and more radical. And every year the people lose more rights. I don't see enough states becoming so fractured as in your vision. Yet. But I think it is happening as we speak. Maybe not in our lifetime. Hopefully never in anyone's lifetime.
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oldfart

Re: Are We Nearing Civil War?
« Reply #35 on: June 17, 2017, 07:31:28 AM »
Fuck that i would rather die. America is my home,
...
I am curious why you left the UK and ended up here.

What was the primary motivation?
What, Me Worry?

RSN172

Re: Are We Nearing Civil War?
« Reply #36 on: June 17, 2017, 08:23:52 AM »
Fuck that i would rather die. America is my home,
Is the UK that bad?  I didn't like when I visited in 1973, but my daughter lived there from 2010 to 2013 and loved it.  She lived on the USAF base outside of London.  Anyway, glad you are here.
Happily living in Puna

oldfart

Re: Are We Nearing Civil War?
« Reply #37 on: June 17, 2017, 09:48:47 AM »
Getting back to topic now.
I'm going to make a wild prediction that before the country descends into civil war, some jihadis are going to commit a horrific act of violence or sabotage.
That would unite the country against a common foe.

kind of sounds like a movie plot...
What, Me Worry?

ren

Re: Are We Nearing Civil War?
« Reply #38 on: June 17, 2017, 11:15:08 AM »
Nope.
Is the population content?
I think so.
People are still shopping albeit not in malls but online.
Sports are still being played. People employed. People buying stuff. People hatching quails. The Hokulea came back.
Even though the rail is a public works disaster in terms of financial mismanagement - people are not rioting. People here just don't care as much as they should.
Our congress men and women are fighting Trump, traveling to Syria and ...fighting Trump! No words of sympathy for Sen. Scalise if anyone noticed from our delegation - as noted from duly authorized media networks KHON and the like liberal outlets of Hawaii nei
So there's no excuse to buy more guns and ammo - sorry to ruin your TEOTWAWKI fantasies.
Life goes on as normal.
« Last Edit: June 17, 2017, 11:33:32 AM by ren »
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robtmc

Re: Are We Nearing Civil War?
« Reply #39 on: June 17, 2017, 11:51:13 AM »
some jihadis are going to commit a horrific act of violence or sabotage.
That would unite the country against a common foe.
The way many liberals talk and act, they would be on the muzzie's side.  But, that would clarify things nicely for the rest of us.