Since one of the regular posters is seeming in love with this woman. . . or an irrational fear of her returning to a position of power. . .

Democrat Jon Ossoff finished behind Republican Karen Handel in Georgia’s special House election on Tuesday night, but the real loser could turn out to be House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi.

While Pelosi is in no immediate danger of losing her House perch, she’s increasingly becoming the face of a period of Democratic stagnation that’s seen a once-mighty majority systematically deteriorate during her tenure.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/22/pelosis-party-begins-to-turn-on-her-after-defeats-stagnation.html

Personally, I'm surprised this type of implosion hasn't occurred a long time ago and more "severely".  Like what's up with all the "Feel the Bern" folks who were so rabid about him during the election?  Suddenly super quiet.  Anyways, stuff just makes me shake my head. 

Since one of the regular posters is seeming in love with this woman. . . or an irrational fear of her returning to a position of power. . .

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/22/pelosis-party-begins-to-turn-on-her-after-defeats-stagnation.html

Personally, I'm surprised this type of implosion hasn't occurred a long time ago and more "severely".  Like what's up with all the "Feel the Bern" folks who were so rabid about him during the election?  Suddenly super quiet.  Anyways, stuff just makes me shake my head.

Personally, I think these people (Democrat leaders) are so full of themselves it has taken this long and they have lost so many seats that it is finally sinking in that THEY are the problem and not the Republicans as they keep on script saying. It's too bad that they are finally recognizing the real problem as I have been rejoicing in some of their losses. Especially when Trump won. Of course the first thing the Dems do is point fingers. And they are pointing at one of the right people. Schumer is another they should be pointing their fingers at. It wouldn't hurt my feelings any if I never saw their ugly mugs in the news ever again (Except to see them removed from leadership or better, office).

Since one of the regular posters is seeming in love with this woman. . . or an irrational fear of her returning to a position of power. . .

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/22/pelosis-party-begins-to-turn-on-her-after-defeats-stagnation.html

Personally, I'm surprised this type of implosion hasn't occurred a long time ago and more "severely".  Like what's up with all the "Feel the Bern" folks who were so rabid about him during the election?  Suddenly super quiet.  Anyways, stuff just makes me shake my head.

I don't know about that... that big Bernie supporter who shot the Republicans at their baseball practice seemed to be making an "out front" loud statement... Bernie's actually been quite outspoken about his followers doing everything possible to bring Trump down... that's why Bernie had to denounce violence on the Senate floor after the shooting to make sure people knew by "everything" he didn't mean actually killing them... an honest mistake I suppose.

Personally, I think these people (Democrat leaders) are so full of themselves it has taken this long and they have lost so many seats that it is finally sinking in that THEY are the problem and not the Republicans as they keep on script saying. It's too bad that they are finally recognizing the real problem as I have been rejoicing in some of their losses. Especially when Trump won. Of course the first thing the Dems do is point fingers. And they are pointing at one of the right people. Schumer is another they should be pointing their fingers at. It wouldn't hurt my feelings any if I never saw their ugly mugs in the news ever again (Except to see them removed from leadership or better, office).

I hear that.   

Would frankly love to see them continue to falter and implode.  Did you see Trump's tweet in that article?   

Sadly, there are some key Dems that remain solid.  I would love to see people like Feinstein and her like out. 

I don't know about that... that big Bernie supporter who shot the Republicans at their baseball practice seemed to be making an "out front" loud statement... Bernie's actually been quite outspoken about his followers doing everything possible to bring Trump down... that's why Bernie had to denounce violence on the Senate floor after the shooting to make sure people knew by "everything" he didn't mean actually killing them... an honest mistake I suppose.

I was more referring to the very vocal Bern supporters that are FB friends, of which most are more acquaintances.  One was even part of the Hawaii delegation that went to the DNC.  She's a millennial and very vocal about her passions and one was Bern.  She has seemingly refocused her energies on sustainable energy, which is how I got to know her in the first place.  And the outrage I was thinking about is the DNC conspiring against Bern. 

Yeah, I do notice Bernie trying to refocus his followers to anti-Trump, where I feel they really should still be pissed off at the DNC. 

It's going to be interesting to see which direction the Dem party is going to go after Pelosi and Schumer are removed from leadership. I think there are enough Bernie lovers (meaning Socialists) that in order not to lose them they will need to embrace Socialism to some extent. And to keep the Progressives happy they are going to have to continue spending wildly on unsustainable social programs while denying they are Socialists. More socialistic moves. The problem as I see it is that America is not ready to go that route as witnessed by all the Republican (conservative) wins lately. Is the majority of America possibly swinging back to conservatism? If so then what are the Dems going to do? Their party could become quite fractured if they try and rewrite their script and start embracing more conservative values in order to win back some seats. The thing is I don't see them being able to embrace more conservative values without pushing away their core Socialists. But are their more centrist Liberals in the party? If they go too far to the Socialism side they could alienate their core Liberals which are more conservative than the Socialists and Progressives.

This is going to be interesting....

It's going to be interesting to see which direction the Dem party is going to go after Pelosi and Schumer are removed from leadership. I think there are enough Bernie lovers (meaning Socialists) that in order not to lose them they will need to embrace Socialism to some extent. And to keep the Progressives happy they are going to have to continue spending wildly on unsustainable social programs while denying they are Socialists. More socialistic moves. The problem as I see it is that America is not ready to go that route as witnessed by all the Republican (conservative) wins lately. Is the majority of America possibly swinging back to conservatism? If so then what are the Dems going to do? Their party could become quite fractured if they try and rewrite their script and start embracing more conservative values in order to win back some seats. The thing is I don't see them being able to embrace more conservative values without pushing away their core Socialists. But are their more centrist Liberals in the party? If they go too far to the Socialism side they could alienate their core Liberals which are more conservative than the Socialists and Progressives.

This is going to be interesting....

Interesting indeed.

Another interesting angle is what's going on in the UK.  By that I mean the seeming changing of the tide, but in a different direction.  I don't know all of the issues in that change, but seems not that unlike the discussion in the US, but from a different perspective.  Changing times and really a tipping point in many regards for both countries. 

I still hope that the more people keep digging into Russia probe, the more questions they are going to have regarding how the Obama admin handled that.  It's already coming up and I hope the questions keep coming, but those things have a way of fizzling out.  They were discussing the Obama's handling of the Russia hacking thing yesterday and even the admin admitted that the news of Russian hacking was overshadowed at the time by breaking news of the release of the DJT "locker room talk" tape.  If people don't see what's going on, then maybe all hope is lost. 

It's going to be interesting to see which direction the Dem party is going to go after Pelosi and Schumer are removed from leadership. I think there are enough Bernie lovers (meaning Socialists) that in order not to lose them they will need to embrace Socialism to some extent. And to keep the Progressives happy they are going to have to continue spending wildly on unsustainable social programs while denying they are Socialists. More socialistic moves. The problem as I see it is that America is not ready to go that route as witnessed by all the Republican (conservative) wins lately. Is the majority of America possibly swinging back to conservatism? If so then what are the Dems going to do? Their party could become quite fractured if they try and rewrite their script and start embracing more conservative values in order to win back some seats. The thing is I don't see them being able to embrace more conservative values without pushing away their core Socialists. But are their more centrist Liberals in the party? If they go too far to the Socialism side they could alienate their core Liberals which are more conservative than the Socialists and Progressives.

This is going to be interesting....

I think it's the same on the "other side". The Republicans include the Tea Party types, the neo-cons, the RINOs, the Libertarian-leaning, etc. Then there are the people like Trump, who isn't really an ideologue so much as a businessman who just wants to make things work (for American citizens) in the best way possible given the current limitations that exist in the real world. That's not a popular strategy with any members of the Uniparty (i.e. almost all the Dems and Repubs in D.C.). I suspect that the thinly-veiled gridlock strategy of the Uniparty will continue, to our misfortune.

A quick read and interesting take from Ben Shapiro:

This One Amazing Trick Could Help Trump Win In 2018

http://www.dailywire.com/news/17816/one-amazing-trick-could-help-trump-win-2018-ben-shapiro?utm_source=shapironewsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=062117-news-title&utm_campaign=lead

If you are a Republican or anyone that disagrees with the Democrat party, then Pelosi and Schumer are perfect where they are.  They are two completely out of touch individuals who will keep the Dems going down the same path of implosion.  The Dem party doesn't need a change, they need a complete overhaul and they need to separate and rid themselves of the socialists, fascists, Marxist, communist, anarchists that have embedded themselves within and taken control of the party.  I see the Dem party as being a person who is a drug addict.  I think they truly need to hit rock bottom before they will ever begin to see the light and make the move for change.  The problem is, the power players in the Dem party control so much wealth and power that it would take a "grass roots" movement within the party to effect any measurable changes to pecking order or decision making.  I am not just talking removal of Pelosi or Schumer either, but the real power and money that drives the machine. 

1) If you are a Republican or anyone that disagrees with the Democrat party, then Pelosi and Schumer are perfect where they are. They are two completely out of touch individuals who will keep the Dems going down the same path of implosion.  The Dem party doesn't need a change, they need a complete overhaul and they need to separate and rid themselves of the socialists, fascists, Marxist, communist, anarchists that have embedded themselves within and taken control of the party.  I see the Dem party as being a person who is a drug addict.  I think they truly need to hit rock bottom before they will ever begin to see the light and make the move for change.  The problem is, the power players in the Dem party control so much wealth and power that it would take a "grass roots" movement within the party to effect any measurable changes to pecking order or decision making.  I am not just talking removal of Pelosi or Schumer either, 2) but the real power and money that drives the machine.

1) I agree with that.  Let them continue their downward spiral until they crash and burn.  Then maybe some of the voids are filled with conservatives and other "anything but Dem/Socialist".  I'm just still surprised that things haven't imploded quicker. 

2) The swamp seems to be draining slowly.  But still lots of money driving things behind the scenes.  At least that's what I think. 

If you are a Republican or anyone that disagrees with the Democrat party, then Pelosi and Schumer are perfect where they are.  They are two completely out of touch individuals who will keep the Dems going down the same path of implosion.  The Dem party doesn't need a change, they need a complete overhaul and they need to separate and rid themselves of the socialists, fascists, Marxist, communist, anarchists that have embedded themselves within and taken control of the party.  I see the Dem party as being a person who is a drug addict.  I think they truly need to hit rock bottom before they will ever begin to see the light and make the move for change.  The problem is, the power players in the Dem party control so much wealth and power that it would take a "grass roots" movement within the party to effect any measurable changes to pecking order or decision making.  I am not just talking removal of Pelosi or Schumer either, but the real power and money that drives the machine.

First I want to say thank you for including ME in your statement: "...or anyone that disagrees with the Democrat party..." I refuse to be a republican any more.

You bring up a good point here: "...The problem is, the power players in the Dem party control so much wealth and power that it would take a "grass roots" movement within the party to effect any measurable changes to pecking order or decision making...."

I think this is where the Bernie lovers actually have the numbers and desire to split from the Democrat Party. I am not saying they will. At least not anytime soon. But I see the Socialist Party as a viable third party eventually in this country. Do I think they will ever have enough numbers to win the house/senate/presidency? No, but I do see them having enough power to win a few seats in the senate and house. Just like there are one or two Independents that have seats. I see the "Berns" as a small grassroots movement than can have some effect on the Dem party. Similar to the tea party had within the Rep party. They may stay like that but I think ole Bernie is missing his calling. He could easily organize and fund raise in order to get enough support for a Socialist Party movement to get going. JMHO

First I want to say thank you for including ME in your statement: "...or anyone that disagrees with the Democrat party..." I refuse to be a republican any more.

You bring up a good point here: "...The problem is, the power players in the Dem party control so much wealth and power that it would take a "grass roots" movement within the party to effect any measurable changes to pecking order or decision making...."

I think this is where the Bernie lovers actually have the numbers and desire to split from the Democrat Party. I am not saying they will. At least not anytime soon. But I see the Socialist Party as a viable third party eventually in this country. Do I think they will ever have enough numbers to win the house/senate/presidency? No, but I do see them having enough power to win a few seats in the senate and house. Just like there are one or two Independents that have seats. I see the "Berns" as a small grassroots movement than can have some effect on the Dem party. Similar to the tea party had within the Rep party. They may stay like that but I think ole Bernie is missing his calling. He could easily organize and fund raise in order to get enough support for a Socialist Party movement to get going. JMHO

I do believe they changed the tide in the 2016 election.  Or at least enough were alienated by HRC that they "went elsewhere". 

I do believe they changed the tide in the 2016 election.  Or at least enough were alienated by HRC that they "went elsewhere".

Especially when it was leaked that the fix was in for HRC with the DNC. Yeah, that pissed a lot of people off.

If Bernie had run as an Independent Socialist I think the DEM party, CA and NY (and others) would have been split and fractured. Maybe giving rise to a new third party?

Seriously, I really think Bernie missed out on an opportunity of a lifetime. Maybe if he was younger he might have considered running as an independent Socialist?

Especially when it was leaked that the fix was in for HRC with the DNC. Yeah, that pissed a lot of people off.

If Bernie had run as an Independent Socialist I think the DEM party, CA and NY (and others) would have been split and fractured. Maybe giving rise to a new third party?

Seriously, I really think Bernie missed out on an opportunity of a lifetime. Maybe if he was younger he might have considered running as an independent Socialist?

Bernie knows which side his bread is buttered on. He didn't get multiple homes, including lakefront property by going against "The Party", nor against The Clintons (see: long list of dead people who did).

Bernie knows which side his bread is buttered on. He didn't get multiple homes, including lakefront property by going against "The Party", nor against The Clintons (see: long list of dead people who did).

Bernie was NEVER expected to be a serious candidate.  He volunteered to be a sparring partner for Clinton.  Ever wonder why there was such a small number of Democrats running versus the 17 person Republican field?  No one expected anyone other than Clinton to win the nomination.

If Clinton ran unopposed for the nomination, it would have given her no debates -- no TV time to air her   talking points    platform.  Plus, the underdog always get a grass roots base the others can't attract.  Notice how often she tried to play the victim in all the investigations and as the topic of Republican's "attacks."

With Clinton running, there was going to be a lack of contributions for other candidates, too.  She spent $1.2 Billion on the campaign.  No money would have been available for other candidates.  I think Bernie got most of his money form individual donors and IRS matching funds. 

It wasn't until the mask started to crack on Clinton that Bernie began to gain popularity.  He had a good chance of winning the nomination, which the DNC could not allow.

Bernie was never a Democrat candidate.  He was a willing sacrificial lamb who received compensation for running and losing.

In another year, with another field, Bernie may have been the nominee.  This was the Queen's year to be crowned.  Screw what the little people wanted!

Pelosi confronts Dem backlash from the young and the restless

Therein lies the rub. Pelosi has been in charge of the caucus since 2003, and the current leadership team has been at her side for years. That team includes Pelosi, D-Calif., 77; Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer, D-Md., 78; and Assistant Democratic Leader Jim Clyburn, D-S.C., 76.

If Pelosi were to step down, it’s unclear who would fill the void and whether either of her top two deputies would be the right fit. House Democrats also have not elevated younger lawmakers into top leadership positions the way House Republicans have.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/23/pelosi-confronts-dem-backlash-from-young-and-restless.html

I didn't realize she was that old. 

Seems like their succession plan was like my old company's.  While everything was going well, they increased their power, but then suddenly when things turn, they are caught thinking back at what they should have been doing the last 10 years. 

I didn't realize she was that old. 

She and Feinstein are both near 80... it's just the unlimited resources they command after all those years of public service have allowed them to indulge in untold amounts of cosmetic surgery. What can't be hidden or surgically overridden, at least at this point in time, is Pelosi's obvious mental/cognitive impairments. Not that there's anything wrong with that. As far as I'm concerned the Dems should keep her there until she's 100. She's doing a good job... for someone.

I'd say keep her in.
The captain should go down with its ship

I'd say keep her in.
The captain should go down with its ship