Spending 2 nights in New York City (Gun Laws) (Read 11829 times)

Chiefjoe1911

Spending 2 nights in New York City (Gun Laws)
« on: June 23, 2017, 11:25:00 AM »
I know it's illegal to possess & carry a pistol in NYC, but I'm stopping over for a couple nights. Does anyone know if its ok to have firearm unloaded & locked up in a hard case? Is it against the law to have possession of my firearm where ever I sojourn? Mahalo for any insights to this matter. 🤙🏽

dustoff003

Re: Spending 2 nights in New York City (Gun Laws)
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2017, 11:38:30 AM »
Non-Residents
It is unlawful for any person to carry, possess or transport a handgun in or through the state unless he has a valid New York license.

A provision of federal law provides a defense to state or local laws which would prohibit the passage of persons with firearms in interstate travel if the person is traveling from any place where he may lawfully possess and transport a firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and transport such firearm and the firearm is unloaded and in the trunk. In vehicles without a trunk, the unloaded firearm shall be in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.

A member or coach of an accredited college or university target pistol team may transport a handgun into or through New York to participate in a collegiate, Olympic or target pistol shooting competition provided that the handgun is unloaded and carried in a locked carrying case and the ammunition is carried in a separate locked container.

Nonresidents competing in an organized competitive pistol match or league competition under auspices of, or approved by, the National Rifle Association, or an organized match sanctioned by the International Handgun Metallic Silhouette Association, may enter or pass through New York State within forty-eight hours of such an event for the purposes of travelling to and from the event, provided the competitor also has in his or her possession a pistol license or firearms registration card issued in accordance with the laws of the place of residence; has not been previously convicted of a felony or a crime which, if committed in New York, would constitute a felony; and the pistols or revolvers are transported unloaded in a locked opaque container together with a copy of the match program, match schedule or match registration card. 

Possession of firearms by a person who is a nonresident of this state is lawful while attending or traveling to or from an organized convention or exhibition approved by the NRA, and in which the nonresident is a registered participant within forty-eight hours of such event, provided that the nonresident has not been previously convicted of a felony and further provided that the firearms are transported unloaded in a locked opaque container together with a copy of the convention or exhibition program, convention or exhibition schedule, or convention or exhibition registration card.  This provision does not apply in NY cities not wholly contained within a single county.

A non-immigrant alien may possess a rifle or shotgun for use while hunting provided he has a valid hunting license issued by New York State and an approved gun import form from the BATFE.

In Osterweil v. Bartlett, 21 N.Y.3d 580, 999 N.E.2d 516 (N.Y. 2013), the Court of Appeals of New York ruled that the state handgun licensing statute did not preclude the applicant, a previous resident who became a part-time resident of New York when he acquired a permanent domicile elsewhere, from being eligible for a New York handgun license in the city or county where his part-time residence was located.

https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-gun-laws/new-york/


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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Spending 2 nights in New York City (Gun Laws)
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2017, 11:46:42 AM »
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NEW YORK—Use extreme caution when traveling through New York with firearms.  New York state’s general approach is to make
the possession of handguns and so-called “assault weapons” and “large capacity ammunition feeding devices” illegal and then
provide exceptions that the accused may raise as “affirmative defenses” to prosecution.  NY Penal Code s. 265.20(12) & (13)

A number of localities, including Albany, Buffalo, New York City, Rochester, Suffolk County, and Yonkers, impose their own
requirements on the possession, registration, and transport of firearms. Possession of a handgun within New York City requires
a New York City handgun license or a special permit from the city police commissioner validating a state license within the city.
Even New York state licenses are generally not valid within New York City unless a specific exemption applies, such as when
the New York City police commissioner has issued a special permit to the licensee or “the firearms covered by such license are
being transported by the licensee in a locked container and the trip through the city of New York is continuous and uninterrupted.”
Possession of a shotgun or rifle within New York City requires a permit, which is available to non-residents, and a certificate of
registration. No person may possess a loaded rifle or shotgun anywhere in public within New York City limits. A non-resident
without a permit may possess an unregistered long gun for up to 24 hours in New York City if in transit to a destination outside
the city, provided that the firearm is at all times unloaded and in a locked case or locked automobile trunk and the person is
“lawfully in possession of said rifle or shotgun according to the laws of his or her place of residence.
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https://www.nraila.org/articles/20140630/guide-to-the-interstate-transportation
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Chiefjoe1911

Re: Spending 2 nights in New York City (Gun Laws)
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2017, 11:49:52 AM »
Mahalo much!


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paka808

Re: Spending 2 nights in New York City (Gun Laws)
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2017, 11:56:30 AM »
Have a good 1 in New York.be safe.

Chiefjoe1911

Re: Spending 2 nights in New York City (Gun Laws)
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2017, 11:58:14 AM »
Have a good 1 in New York.be safe.

Be there in 3 weeks. Thx much. Thought Hawaii & Cali was bad. Smh. New York sucks!! 🤙🏽


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zippz

Re: Spending 2 nights in New York City (Gun Laws)
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2017, 01:01:26 PM »
In some states there is an interview process, high fees, and months of processing time to purchase a firearm.  Hawaii and Cali are in the top 5 of restrictive states , but not the top.

rklapp

Re: Spending 2 nights in New York City (Gun Laws)
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2017, 01:12:30 PM »
In some states there is an interview process, high fees, and months of processing time to purchase a firearm.  Hawaii and Cali are in the top 5 of restrictive states , but not the top.
My understanding is that these states have high gun violence rates. Also, my understanding is that Hawaii is in the top (bottom) five because of our missionary culture.
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changemyoil66

Re: Spending 2 nights in New York City (Gun Laws)
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2017, 01:55:00 PM »
My understanding is that these states have high gun violence rates. Also, my understanding is that Hawaii is in the top (bottom) five because of our missionary culture.

It's Hawaiis local culture (aloha spirit), but times are getting worst...



Chiefjoe1911

Re: Spending 2 nights in New York City (Gun Laws)
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2017, 01:57:15 PM »
Would be interesting to hear from someone who actually travelled through NYC with their firearm.


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zippz

Re: Spending 2 nights in New York City (Gun Laws)
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2017, 02:05:34 PM »
NYC cops warned me not to bring guns into the city which is more restrictive than the rest of the state.

They have a wierd thing where you need a firearms class to get permit to buy a gun.  But you can't shoot a gun in the city unless you have a permit.   So they teach the class in the city and have to do the live fire outside the city to complete the class.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Spending 2 nights in New York City (Gun Laws)
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2017, 02:07:11 PM »
Would be interesting to hear from someone who actually travelled through NYC with their firearm.


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There are a few stories of that.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/10/nyregion/lawful-handguns-departing-for-new-york-but-unlawful-upon-arrival.html
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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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changemyoil66

Re: Spending 2 nights in New York City (Gun Laws)
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2017, 02:19:39 PM »
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changemyoil66

Re: Spending 2 nights in New York City (Gun Laws)
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2017, 02:21:17 PM »
It's their fault.  When ever traveling with a gun, always make sure to understand what the laws are.  It's not like  you're traveling with Tiffany cuff links, these are serious items.

Before going to Vegas, I was online reading laws off the PD website and AG websites.  And did the same when I was planning a trip to Wisconsin.  I was reading and re-reading for a month.  I even called both PD's to confirm any questions that I had.

Luckily, both states are way more lenient that Hawaii.  No firearm registration, CCW permits are shall issue or out of state ones honored, ammunition is not treated the same as a firearm, no "places to keep" laws, etc...

Chiefjoe1911

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Spending 2 nights in New York City (Gun Laws)
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2017, 02:31:04 PM »
It's their fault.  When ever traveling with a gun, always make sure to understand what the laws are.  It's not like  you're traveling with Tiffany cuff links, these are serious items.

Before going to Vegas, I was online reading laws off the PD website and AG websites.  And did the same when I was planning a trip to Wisconsin.  I was reading and re-reading for a month.  I even called both PD's to confirm any questions that I had.

While your conclusion is correct, there are states (not Hawaii) where owning a firearm is a simple, unregulated right.  Those people are just not used to having to study other state's laws, especially if they travel all the time and never had such a problem.

When you aren't used to treating your firearm as a "hot potato" that can land you in jail simply by staying the night in a hotel caused by a canceled flight, it's difficult to fault the traveler.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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Chiefjoe1911

Re: Spending 2 nights in New York City (Gun Laws)
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2017, 04:01:44 PM »
Headed to Florida for a 4 day conference (my Arizona CCW works there). Figure we stop by NYC for a few days (AZ CCW don't mean Squat there). So the heck with NYC . Mahalos for saving me from getting arrested on the East Coast 🤙🏽.


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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Spending 2 nights in New York City (Gun Laws)
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2017, 04:15:46 PM »
Headed to Florida for a 4 day conference (my Arizona CCW works there). Figure we stop by NYC for a few days (AZ CCW don't mean Squat there). So the heck with NYC . Mahalos for saving me from getting arrested on the East Coast 🤙🏽.


Yeah, it's ironic and frustrating that the places we are most likely to need a firearm are the places that forbid it. 

I've seen many people online making comments that they refuse to travel to, or even through if they can help it, states which don't allow concealed carry.  They would rather support the others with their tourism dollars.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Chiefjoe1911

Re: Spending 2 nights in New York City (Gun Laws)
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2017, 04:18:46 PM »
Crazy indeed. Smh.


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changemyoil66

Re: Spending 2 nights in New York City (Gun Laws)
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2017, 08:02:25 PM »
Why is it areas with strict gun control laws are one of the top crime areas? NY, CA, chicago, and hawaii next...

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