Thinking about picking either one of these up in 223 for punching paper at KHSC. Any recommendations?

if you are only going to punch paper at KHSC and nothing else, get the Ruger
the Remington is a better rifle, but if its only to punch paper at 100 yards, why spend twice the money when the Ruger will do almost as good as the SPS
I have 3 American rifles: .223, .308 predator, and .22LR.  for KHSC they do very well

if you are only going to punch paper at KHSC and nothing else, get the Ruger
the Remington is a better rifle, but if its only to punch paper at 100 yards, why spend twice the money when the Ruger will do almost as good as the SPS
I have 3 American rifles: .223, .308 predator, and .22LR.  for KHSC they do very well

That's what i was leaning towards even though I'm a lefty. What kind of groups do you get with 52-55gr fodder?

Thinking about picking either one of these up in 223 for punching paper at KHSC. Any recommendations?

Also considering getting an AR target upper. Thinking an 18" heavy barrel, mid length. RRA has some nice ones but $770.00. Armalite has a nice one as well for $600, free shipping...... decisions decisions!

Thinking about picking either one of these up in 223 for punching paper at KHSC. Any recommendations?

I have a buddy who has a standard Ruger American (Not Predator) in .308 and it shoots very nice 3 round groups at 100 yards. Very impressive for the price. However, the barrel gets hot quickly and POA changes after 8 - 10 rounds. This is to be expected with a hunting rifle. Not sure the diameter of the Predator barrel. I own a Remington 700 in .223 with the 5R bull barrel and I can shoot a lot without the barrel changing POA. Don't get me wrong, I am not putting down the Ruger. It's a great rifle for the price. Just want to offer up my observations.

That's what i was leaning towards even though I'm a lefty. What kind of groups do you get with 52-55gr fodder?

I don't reload .223, so with federal bulk ammo I'll get about average 1.5" groups @ 100yds.  occasionally I'll get a sub-MOA group but that's not the average.
my .223 is the regular American rifle, thin tapered barrel.  like Inspector pointed out, it gets hot after a few rounds and POI drifts some. 
the Predator and Ranch rifles have a "medium heavy" barrel.  not quite a bull barrel, but heavier than their regular tapered barrel

I bought the rifle to be a range plinker I could use cheap ammo to shoot and is easy to clean and maintain, and shoot at least decent groups
that's why I got the Ruger American rifle

you might also consider the Ruger American Ranch rifle in 5.56
I think the Ranch is the only American rifle chambered for 5.56, all the other Americans (the Predator included) is in .223

Well decided to get the Mossberg MVP LC. Got a sweet NIB Redfield 6-18 that's been looking for a home for the past 3 years. New boom boom shud be here by next week! Wife is gonna kill me when she finds out but heck, live on the wild side I always say! 

Yep, not cheap. Congrats. I guess you can sleep on our couch until your wife starts talking to you again.

Well decided to get the Mossberg MVP LC. Got a sweet NIB Redfield 6-18 that's been looking for a home for the past 3 years. New boom boom shud be here by next week! Wife is gonna kill me when she finds out but heck, live on the wild side I always say! 

Congratulations!

Actually told her this morning..... she's from Japan so I got the "look", few words in Japanese and that was it. Still looking over my shoulder and waiting for the other shoe to drop 😜😄

asking for forgiveness is much easier than asking for permission.

asking for forgiveness is much easier than asking for permission.

Yup, sure is. She's over it (I hope) 🤣