America was not wrong... Bush was wrong. He was the head of state and Ultimately he made the final decision. Was his decision biased because he wanted to finish what his father started? Only he knows.

And ok I'll roll with you on that America wasn't wrong:

Just Bush and.....

Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, Bob Graham, Harold Ford, Tom Lantos, Tom Harkin, Arlen Specter, Madeline Albright, Barbara Boxer, Robert Byrd, Wesley Clark, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen, John Edwards, Dick Gephardt, Al Gore, Bob Graham, Jim Jeffords, Ted Kennedy, Carl Levin, Patty Murray, Nancy Pelosi, John Rockefeller, Henry Waxman....along with some of the most influential people in Washington DC at the moment that decisions were made. 

They were wrong and not America because we know when American Troops delpoy overseas we raised the flag of George W Bush and not the American flag.  And for all the problems that America is experiencing now Obama is truly to blame because he is either not effectively doing anything about it or accepts full blame for just ignoring the issue.  Obama is head of state now, so let the blaming begin.  GAME ON!

It is a proven fact that Saddam had WMD's. That is not something we can disagree about. He used them against Iran and his own people. Proven fact, no argument can be brought against. We found the shells that he used to deliver gas attacks. The only question is what did he do with the chemicals before we got there. We suspect he sent them to Iran along with their fighter jets. We went in there to rid Iraq of those weapons. And because we know they had them and were willing to use them and they were removed before we got there means we did what we went in there for. Just because we didn't find the chemicals doesn't mean we were not successful in ridding a sworn enemy of WMD's.

Let's also remember and give credit where due that Bush had an agenda to leave Iraq before he left office. Why don't you give him credit for that? The only difference is that Obama pushed the schedule up. You really should tell the whole story and not just part of it. Otherwise you won't have any credibility here.

Don't get me wrong. I didn't like Bush as president. I didn't vote for him. I didn't agree with him starting the war. In hindsight I still feel that way. But I just stated facts all as they occurred. I didn't just tell a portion of the whole story to suit my political feelings.

The reason why bush was so confident that Iraq had chemical weapons is because the US gave it to him when Iraq was fighing Iran in the 1980's. And yes it was George Bush Sr. That was responsible for building Iraq's military into the threat that they were. The US actually had Iraq removed from the countries that support terrorists list in 1982 so that they could share intell and weapons with them to assist in the Iran/Iraq war.

On May 25, 1994, the U.S. Senate Banking Committee released a report in which it was stated that "pathogenic (meaning 'disease producing'), toxigenic (meaning 'poisonous'), and other biological research materials were exported to Iraq pursuant to application and licensing by the U.S. Department of Commerce." It added: "These exported biological materials were not attenuated or weakened and were capable of reproduction."
The report then detailed 70 shipments (including Bacillus anthracis) from the United States to Iraqi government agencies over three years, concluding "It was later learned that these microorganisms exported by the United States were identical to those the UN inspectors found and recovered from the Iraqi biological warfare program."

Donald Riegle, Chairman of the Senate committee that authored the aforementioned Riegle Report, said: U.N. inspectors had identified many United States manufactured items that had been exported from the United States to Iraq under licenses issued by the Department of Commerce, and [established] that these items were used to further Iraq's chemical and nuclear weapons development and its missile delivery system development programs. ... The executive branch of our government approved 771 different export licenses for sale of dual-use technology to Iraq. I think that is a devastating record.

Iraq purchased 8 strains of weaponized anthrax from the US in 1985. Some of which was identified in these inspections.

How's them apples...

Once again Bush might of had the AGENDA to leave Iraq before he left office, but once again he failed to produce.... Bush and his cabinet "assumed" that Iraq would still have a surplus of US manufactured biological weapons still around when we invaded. But to his surprise they were no where to be found. He likely sold them to the highest bidder.
Hummm. You still want the whole story? Look it up before you question my credibility.

Do you also believe in the tooth fairy, the easter bunny, and santa claus?  I would bet that you believe that the entitlements provided by our illustrious government (with our tax dollars of course) are not sufficient.  Deny it if you dare!

I believe in the Easter bunny and Santa claus. The tooth fairy is nothing but I figment of my imagination.

The reason why bush was so confident that Iraq had chemical weapons is because the US gave it to him when Iraq was fighing Iran in the 1980's. And yes it was George Bush Sr. That was responsible for building Iraq's military into the threat that they were. The US actually had Iraq removed from the countries that support terrorists list in 1982 so that they could share intell and weapons with them to assist in the Iran/Iraq war.

On May 25, 1994, the U.S. Senate Banking Committee released a report in which it was stated that "pathogenic (meaning 'disease producing'), toxigenic (meaning 'poisonous'), and other biological research materials were exported to Iraq pursuant to application and licensing by the U.S. Department of Commerce." It added: "These exported biological materials were not attenuated or weakened and were capable of reproduction."
The report then detailed 70 shipments (including Bacillus anthracis) from the United States to Iraqi government agencies over three years, concluding "It was later learned that these microorganisms exported by the United States were identical to those the UN inspectors found and recovered from the Iraqi biological warfare program."

Donald Riegle, Chairman of the Senate committee that authored the aforementioned Riegle Report, said: U.N. inspectors had identified many United States manufactured items that had been exported from the United States to Iraq under licenses issued by the Department of Commerce, and [established] that these items were used to further Iraq's chemical and nuclear weapons development and its missile delivery system development programs. ... The executive branch of our government approved 771 different export licenses for sale of dual-use technology to Iraq. I think that is a devastating record.

Iraq purchased 8 strains of weaponized anthrax from the US in 1985. Some of which was identified in these inspections.

How's them apples...

Once again Bush might of had the AGENDA to leave Iraq before he left office, but once again he failed to produce.... Bush and his cabinet "assumed" that Iraq would still have a surplus of US manufactured biological weapons still around when we invaded. But to his surprise they were no where to be found. He likely sold them to the highest bidder.
Hummm. You still want the whole story? Look it up before you question my credibility.

So now you're saying Bush Didn't Lie? 

As for the planned draw down of Iraq prior to Bush's departure was mainly due to Iraq's own accord (correct me if I'm wrong). Iraq had finally agreed to a draw down timetable.  Prior to the agreement Democrats were demanding a withdrawal timetable and Iraq was stating that they weren't fully capable of standing up on their own at the time.  At this point in time of the war I was torn, I was torn that we went in and turned that country upside down and Politicians back in America wanted troops home ASAP regardless of the damage we caused there.  I do look at the war as a mistake, but it couldn't have been foretold that way that it been based on the resources that was established at the time.  But as the saying goes "Hindsight is always 20/20".

So now you're saying Bush Didn't Lie? 

No, he lied. At no time did Bush come out and tell the truth by saying "We are invading Iraq because my dad gave them biological weapons that they tested on their own people and will likely use against us or sell to Iran" his cabinet continually said that Iraq is a supporter of terrorism, which they were since the 70's, and they were producing WMD's. He left out the fact that his father supplied, and trained Iraq in the manufacture and implementation of weaponized biological WMD's.

No, he lied. At no time did Bush come out and tell the truth by saying "We are invading Iraq because my dad gave them biological weapons that they tested on their own people and will likely use against us or sell to Iran" his cabinet continually said that Iraq is a supporter of terrorism, which they were since the 70's, and they were producing WMD's. He left out the fact that his father supplied, and trained Iraq in the manufacture and implementation of weaponized biological WMD's.

Just so we're fully clear on your comment of "He Lied" it's because he lied for not telling everyone that we're going to Iraq based on intel that we sold weapons to Iraq?  So Bush didn't lie about WMD's just the fact that he didn't tell America that his father sold the weapons to Iraq.  And because he was the Head of State no one else knew this intel because he is the sole decision maker correct?

Just so we're fully clear on your comment of "He Lied" it's because he lied for not telling everyone that we're going to Iraq based on intel that we sold weapons to Iraq?  So Bush didn't lie about WMD's just the fact that he didn't tell America that his father sold the weapons to Iraq.  And because he was the Head of State no one else knew this intel because he is the sole decision maker correct?

I'm going to take a shot in the dark and say you were army or marines.

Without drawing a picture....The word intell means that it was raw data gathered and disseminated by a 3rd party. ie: outside of his cabinet. That was not intell in his case. It was common knowledge known by all parties in the decision making process. Bush used WMD's and as his primary driving force for invading Iraq even though there was no tangible evidence proving that Iraq was producing its OWN Iraqi engineered WMD. In fact the only tangible evidence found during the inspections pointed the finger back at the US. Now this is where all of those names that you mentioned earlier comes in, and it has to do with the stability of the middle east and the US interests in the region and a Iraqi dictator that would not play ball on the right side of the court. You can put the puzzle together on your own I hope.  Then again, we are way off topic.

Vote Obama..... Because the rest of the candidates are idiots.

The reason why bush was so confident that Iraq had chemical weapons is because the US gave it to him when Iraq was fighing Iran in the 1980's. And yes it was George Bush Sr. That was responsible for building Iraq's military into the threat that they were. The US actually had Iraq removed from the countries that support terrorists list in 1982 so that they could share intell and weapons with them to assist in the Iran/Iraq war.

On May 25, 1994, the U.S. Senate Banking Committee released a report in which it was stated that "pathogenic (meaning 'disease producing'), toxigenic (meaning 'poisonous'), and other biological research materials were exported to Iraq pursuant to application and licensing by the U.S. Department of Commerce." It added: "These exported biological materials were not attenuated or weakened and were capable of reproduction."
The report then detailed 70 shipments (including Bacillus anthracis) from the United States to Iraqi government agencies over three years, concluding "It was later learned that these microorganisms exported by the United States were identical to those the UN inspectors found and recovered from the Iraqi biological warfare program."

Donald Riegle, Chairman of the Senate committee that authored the aforementioned Riegle Report, said: U.N. inspectors had identified many United States manufactured items that had been exported from the United States to Iraq under licenses issued by the Department of Commerce, and [established] that these items were used to further Iraq's chemical and nuclear weapons development and its missile delivery system development programs. ... The executive branch of our government approved 771 different export licenses for sale of dual-use technology to Iraq. I think that is a devastating record.

Iraq purchased 8 strains of weaponized anthrax from the US in 1985. Some of which was identified in these inspections.

How's them apples...

Once again Bush might of had the AGENDA to leave Iraq before he left office, but once again he failed to produce.... Bush and his cabinet "assumed" that Iraq would still have a surplus of US manufactured biological weapons still around when we invaded. But to his surprise they were no where to be found. He likely sold them to the highest bidder.
Hummm. You still want the whole story? Look it up before you question my credibility.

I happen to like these apples! You just help prove my point and so you can't say Bush lied about Iraq having WMD's. Actually, I am not sure why you posted this as it seems to go against what you are saying and just adds to what I said. Whether I agree with giving Iraq chemical weapons or not is a different subject for a different time. Just remember that at that time we were friendly with Iraq and they were losing the war with Iran. And we stood to lose quite a bit by allowing Iraq to be wiped off the map. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying I agree with what occurred, I am just telling the whole story as to what was happening at the time what you said occurred. Whether we like it or not there was a reason for it.

Bush had an agenda before he left office for the troops to leave a couple of years after he left office and Obama pushed up the schedule I am not sure how you can say Bush failed to produce?

It could very well be true that Bush and his cabinet "Assumed" there would be biological weapons left when we invaded Iraq. I don't know this as a fact. But even if true, the stated purpose for us to invade Iraq was to keep Iraq from having and using these weapons again and to remove Saddam from power. We did all that. The fact that we didn't find what we all agree they had is only consequential in regards to having the technology fall into the hands of an enemy. Fact is we still don't know what happened to them. So we don't know if they ended up in enemy hands. I suspect they did (Iran). It has nothing to do with lying or failing. I personally think the failure was to give the technology to iraq in the first place. But again that is another subject for another time.

I questioned your credibility because you made some statements that just were slanted one way politically because you didn't tell the whole story. Telling the whole truth including both sides of the issue encourages debate. Telling one sided slanted your way political statements only brings on arguments.

Peace Bruddah 

I'm going to take a shot in the dark and say you were army or marines.

Without drawing a picture....The word intell means that it was raw data gathered and disseminated by a 3rd party. ie: outside of his cabinet. That was not intell in his case. It was common knowledge known by all parties in the decision making process. Bush used WMD's and as his primary driving force for invading Iraq even though there was no tangible evidence proving that Iraq was producing its OWN Iraqi engineered WMD. In fact the only tangible evidence found during the inspections pointed the finger back at the US. Now this is where all of those names that you mentioned earlier comes in, and it has to do with the stability of the middle east and the US interests in the region and a Iraqi dictator that would not play ball on the right side of the court. You can put the puzzle together on your own I hope.  Then again, we are way off topic.

Vote Obama..... Because the rest of the candidates are idiots.

So now he didn't lie?

Didn't Bush say in his book that Iraq had WMDs but he didnt want to scare the American people with what type of WMDs they had?  The Media would never tell this stuff.

So now he didn't lie?

Not telling the truth equals lie. Thats morals 101.

Not telling the truth equals lie. Thats morals 101.

With that said then they all lied (not just Bush).  All parties involved in the decision making process which includes Congress and the Senate (Democrats and Republicans).  They all knew and failed to tell the American People the full truth.

If that makes you sleep better at night. 

If that makes you sleep better at night. 

LOL Dude you're funny.