I shot at Xring a couple of times.  It's a nice range and I enjoy shooting there because is air conditioned and there is a bit more space there than HF&R.  However I don't go there primarily because of the cost, and then the rules and procedures are irritating.  I understand safety is a concern and people shoot themselves in the leg when holstering and baffles and floors get torn up from rapid firing.  But I've never seen rules like that at any commercial range I've been to.  The membership fee to use the range is unusual, the quarterly membership prices are outrageous, the $20 rapidfire certification fee is crazy and requirement to take their Arizone CCW class to use holsters sounds like they're trying to squeeze more money out of you.  There's also a rule about no coaching allowed, so you can't help other people shoot.  Usually it's pretty simple, if someone is doing something unsafe or damaging the range, then warn them, kick em out, and charge for damages.

I can see private instructors using the range to conduct their classes being a conflict of interest. To me if you're a paying customer, it still should be allowed. Me helping my children not being allowed is a joke.


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The membership fee to use the range is unusual, the quarterly membership prices are outrageous, the $20 rapidfire certification fee is crazy and requirement to take their Arizone CCW class to use holsters sounds like they're trying to squeeze more money out of you.  There's also a rule about no coaching allowed, so you can't help other people shoot.  Usually it's pretty simple, if someone is doing something unsafe or damaging the range, then warn them, kick em out, and charge for damages.

I have an AZ CCW and there was no requirement to draw from a holster. I took a class in 2007 at Tucson.

I have an AZ CCW and there was no requirement to draw from a holster. I took a class in 2007 at Tucson.

You have to take the AZ CCW course from Xring to qualify.  I guess they teach drawing from a holster as part of their class.  But I think the main reason is to make money on their CCW classes.

Don't waste your money on the Armscor unless you already have. To me it might be worth $20/brick but no more. And while I think highly of the Aguila, I think the CCI SV is just a little better. They usually are about the same price.

I've seen YouTube horror stories of Armscor .22lr, specifically the wax to seal the round and it building up on the internals. Just picked up some Aguila HV, gonna add to the collection for testing 

You have to take the AZ CCW course from Xring to qualify.  I guess they teach drawing from a holster as part of their class.  But I think the main reason is to make money on their CCW classes.

No you don't. As I said I took a course a little over $100 at a shop in Tucson. Tucson is in Arizona. And in AZ, as of 2010 -  you don't need a CCW to carry

No you don't. As I said I took a course a little over $100 at a shop in Tucson. Tucson is in Arizona. And in AZ, as of 2010 -  you don't need a CCW to carry

States with permitless CCW still offer permits if you want one, so you can be legal in other states that require a permit and honor AZ's. 

Until national reciprocity, or when all states allow permitless carry for residents and non-residents, you still have to deal with states you travel to.

I have an AZ CCW and there was no requirement to draw from a holster. I took a class in 2007 at Tucson.

Why teach AZ CCW classes as a prerequisite for holster draw when they could just teach the Hawaii CCW class instead?

            

I've seen YouTube horror stories of Armscor .22lr, specifically the wax to seal the round and it building up on the internals. Just picked up some Aguila HV, gonna add to the collection for testing 

Let me know how the HV shoots? Not that I need to add more to my stores but I am always curious about that which I have never shot before.

I have seen that issue with the Armscor. It happened to a friend of mine with his 1911-22. After it built up he had an out of battery ignition. Fortunately, no one was hurt.

Why teach AZ CCW classes as a prerequisite for holster draw when they could just teach the Hawaii CCW class instead?

            

Yes!
AZ CCW is worthless here in Hawaii. I got one as I was there for some time.

Why teach AZ CCW classes as a prerequisite for holster draw when they could just teach the Hawaii CCW class instead?

            

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Yes!
AZ CCW is worthless here in Hawaii. I got one as I was there for some time.

actually, the class is worthless for many of us
look at the requirements for arizona ccw...

actually, the class is worthless for many of us
look at the requirements for arizona ccw...

I was given an AZ CCW application packet at Front Sight Defensive Handgun Course along with applications for FL, UT and NV.  I applied for the last 3, but didn't see a need for AZ.

XRing changed their prices,a little more reasonable now.

$20 daily rate
Edit:  $50/month +$50 setup charge with a 12 month subscription.  $99 for 1 month.  membership for anyday of the week.

http://xringsecurity.com/subscriptions/

I bought my own private range when I purchased my home in Puna.  From the very frequent gunshots I hear every week, so did several other people.  Someone recently put up the usual unpermitted Puna house several lots away and I heard about a 100 rounds being fired the other day.  Every time I hear someone shooting like that is music to my ears because that's another neighbor who won't care when I do the same.  I love my gun friendly neighborhood.  This comment made on the internet about my subdivision, Fern Forest, sums up how people around me feel about guns.

XRing changed their prices,a little more reasonable now.

$20 daily rate
Edit:  $50/month +$50 setup charge with a 12 month subscription.  $99 for 1 month.  membership for anyday of the week.

http://xringsecurity.com/subscriptions/

But all shooters still need to pay the $29 membership fee right?

I'll be going to HFR tomorrow. If X-Ring didn't have the Membership fee, I would've taken my family there.

*All subscriptions continue monthly until cancelled.  Cancellation is easy and can be completed from My Account at any time or by calling us at 808.676.7464.
hmm..

I think they'd be better served with a simpler pricing structure.
Membership fees, subscription etc...

*All subscriptions continue monthly until cancelled.  Cancellation is easy and can be completed from My Account at any time or by calling us at 808.676.7464.
hmm..

I think they'd be better served with a simpler pricing structure.
Membership fees, subscription etc...

I agree. I just want to know up front what it'll cost to shoot. Then I can make a educated decision. I don't want to go and be suprised with added expenses. With 4 shooters, those added cost will add up really fast.

It's her buisness to run and I can respect her buisness plans. I hope it works out for them.

When I was in Manila in 2013, I bought a year membership at a local range. It was $110 including free pistol rental but had to purchase ammo and targets. Most of the people who went there couldn't hit a bullet with the side of a barn.

That subscription pricing is absofrickenlutely redonkulous!  $99 a month!  Who can afford that?  I mean seriously?  Or you have a "deal" of paying $50 a month but you have to commit to join for a year?  Sounds like they are trying to secure some yearly income up front. 

That subscription pricing is absofrickenlutely redonkulous!  $99 a month!  Who can afford that?  I mean seriously?  Or you have a "deal" of paying $50 a month but you have to commit to join for a year?  Sounds like they are trying to secure some yearly income up front.

Truth in advertising?