there's always that ONE dumbass (Read 10798 times)

ren

Deeds Not Words

suka

Re: there's always that ONE dumbass
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2017, 09:18:11 PM »
Protected under the First Amendment. Cops had no business ringing their doorbell.

The Super had no legal reason to evict the teens family.

London808

Re: there's always that ONE dumbass
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2017, 09:35:36 PM »
Protected under the First Amendment. Cops had no business ringing their doorbell.

The Super had no legal reason to evict the teens family.

Noise violations, disturbing the peace etc.....

Tenant agreements usually cover stuff like this as well.
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

suka

Re: there's always that ONE dumbass
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2017, 09:49:49 PM »
Violations if any was broken would only be civil , not criminal but still infringed on the teens First Amendment.
Asking him to turn it (radio) off.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: there's always that ONE dumbass
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2017, 10:12:40 PM »
Violations if any was broken would only be civil , not criminal but still infringed on the teens First Amendment.
Asking him to turn it (radio) off.

If a landlord allows a noisy neighbor to stay and bother all the other tenants, he's in violation and could be sued by the others.  There is an expectation you will have peaceful enjoyment of your property when you rent, and if the kid is hanging his speakers out the window and blasting obscenities, the landlord has to do something to stop it.

Apparently, the kids were only staying there temporarily with the landlord's permission -- just for a week.  After this, he has every right to kick the kids out since they are just guests of the renters.

Quote
I left my job, came to the apartment, and told them they have to get out of there,” said the man, who only gave the name Jesus and said he had been allowing the siblings to stay there for the week.

Quote
The teen gave The Post the names of his brother and friend who he said were killed by officers, but the paper could not find any record of their deaths.

Go figure.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

London808

Re: there's always that ONE dumbass
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2017, 10:18:27 PM »
Violations if any was broken would only be civil , not criminal but still infringed on the teens First Amendment.
Asking him to turn it (radio) off.

Asking not ordering/making him
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

suka

Re: there's always that ONE dumbass
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2017, 10:30:17 PM »
He did not have to comply and keep the music on.

The PoPo overstepped their authority.

Disrespecting people / government is protect by the Constitution.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: there's always that ONE dumbass
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2017, 10:31:18 PM »
If someone is going to do this, they need to think about what can happen.  I hope he does get kicked out.  Consequences are real teaching moments.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: there's always that ONE dumbass
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2017, 10:33:11 PM »
He did not have to comply and keep the music on.

The PoPo overstepped their authority.

Disrespecting people / government is protect by the Constitution.

Within the confines of the law.  Break the noise pollution laws, which most areas have, and you face consequences.  The Cops were right.  The "protestor" was wrong.  I'm sure he didn't have a permit or stand in a public place to do his "protest".
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

suka

Re: there's always that ONE dumbass
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2017, 10:48:20 PM »
Jack hammers make more noise than his radio. The Police was wrong into asking him to turn "off" his radio.

Perhaps a permit was required before exercising his First Amendment right in NYC.



suka

Re: there's always that ONE dumbass
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2017, 10:57:31 PM »
1989 Detroit Concert  NWA member arrested after concert.

Fact check of “Straight Outta Compton” ,  drawing from a memories  by former manager Jerry Heller.
“The members of N.W.A. were hustled away from the arena by their security and whisked off to the safety of their hotel rooms
— only to be arrested later when they sneaked down to the lobby to meet girls, according to Heller.”

Flapp_Jackson

Re: there's always that ONE dumbass
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2017, 11:43:13 PM »
Jack hammers make more noise than his radio. The Police was wrong into asking him to turn "off" his radio.

Perhaps a permit was required before exercising his First Amendment right in NYC.

Quote
New York City is involved in a
constant process of renovation
and new construction. To limit
construction noise, the Noise Code
mandates that all construction
be conducted in accordance with
noise mitigation plans that address
the specific location, type of work,
and timing of a project. The Code
also sets standards for noise levels
created by handling containers and
construction material on public
streets, and ways to lessen the
noise from each type of construction
equipment. For example, jackhammers must be outfitted with
noise-reducing mufflers and/or have portable street barriers
to reduce the sound impact on the area. The Noise Code also
defines the hours when construction may occur.

Quote
COMMON COURTESY 
Overview
A majority of the city’s noise complaints are reported as “noise from
neighbor.”  By taking the few simple steps below, you can help create
a more livable atmosphere for your community.

Be sensitive to your neighbor’s space and remember that one
person’s ceiling is another person’s floor; try to keep noisy and
disruptive activities to a minimum.

Call 311  to report a noise complaint

Keep cell phone conversations to a minimum in public spaces,
especially in confined areas like public transit. 

Keep equipment levels down. Televisions, stereos, musical
instruments should be used at a reasonable volume, to avoid
disturbing neighbors, especially at night and in the early morning.

Use power tools at appropriate times. Do as much as possible to
stifle their noise and check specific regulations for their use.


http://www.nyc.gov/html/dep/pdf/noise_code_guide.pdf


Penalties exist for excessive noise: Personal Audio Device.  The penalties change for specific locations.



http://www.nyc.gov/html/dep/pdf/31-115_noise_code_penalty_schedule.pdf


http://www.nyc.gov/html/dep/html/noise/index.shtml
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

suka

Re: there's always that ONE dumbass
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2017, 01:55:28 AM »
I applaud the kid, good job for his Constitutional right being able to do this without being arrested.
Thats what America is about.
 Not in good taste , but the Constitution protects these rights.
Thank the Constitution that allowed NWA to publish the song even when the FBI threatened censorship.


suka

Re: there's always that ONE dumbass
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2017, 02:00:36 AM »
thus if he used a Commercial Broadcasting devise (pro audio DJ equipment /  speaker)  it would have been 100% legal.   :thumbsup:
As the law only applies to personnel audio devises.

zippz

Re: there's always that ONE dumbass
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2017, 10:54:03 AM »
Nothing wrong with police asking to turn it off, anyone can do that.  What would be wrong is if there's intimidation...like 5 big officers corner him or the give em the nod and say you are going to turn off the radio aren't you.

drck1000

Re: there's always that ONE dumbass
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2017, 11:25:24 AM »
Unfortunately not illegal to be a disrespectful asshole.  I just wish karma dealt with such people "better".  And yeah, there are constitutional rights that protect such behavior.  While I don't like the behavior, I do respect the person's right to act in such way.  As well as I respect people who put forth efforts to put such people in their place. 

changemyoil66

Re: there's always that ONE dumbass
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2017, 01:03:00 PM »
NY constantly  violates the 2a, so is it no surprise that other "rights" are violated as well?

London808

Re: there's always that ONE dumbass
« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2017, 01:11:09 PM »
I still dont see what rights were violated.
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

suka

Re: there's always that ONE dumbass
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2017, 01:39:58 PM »
Nothing wrong with police asking to turn it off, anyone can do that.  What would be wrong is if there's intimidation...like 5 big officers corner him or the give em the nod and say you are going to turn off the radio aren't you.
20 officers according to the article.

Inspector

Re: there's always that ONE dumbass
« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2017, 02:26:37 PM »
That guy is still a DUMBASS!!!
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!