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changemyoil66

Ammo and fire
« on: July 16, 2017, 10:49:26 AM »
With the marco polo and palolo house fire that had ammo in the house, what are your evac plans for ammo?

I want to minimize 1st repsonders risk for cook offs.  Damage to guns is not a huge concern.

Dont want to spend 8-12k on a safe that can withstand 4500 degree heat for 90 mins either.

Plan A
If at home, throw ammo out window if time permits. Then follow ammo out said window if exits blocked.

Plan B
If not at home, SOL.



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London808

Re: Ammo and fire
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2017, 11:04:21 AM »
Do nothing, Say nothing.

You mention ammo to HFD and they will move back to a safe distance and watch your home burn.
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dustoff003

Re: Ammo and fire
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2017, 11:12:43 AM »
Ammo is not as dangerous as you'd think in a fire, the firefighters turnout gear provides adequate protection.


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Rocky

Re: Ammo and fire
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2017, 11:15:48 AM »
Quote from: dustoff003 on July 16, 2017, 11:12:43 AM
Ammo is not as dangerous as you'd think in a fire, the firefighters turnout gear provides adequate protection.

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I GUESS YOU TYPE FATER THAN ME  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Ammo in a home fire (or any fire) not really that big a deal.
If the round is not "contained" like in a barrel, it doesn't get any real velocity but I'll leave you with this SAAMI informational video.
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2012/11/how-ammunition-reacts-in-a-fire-saami-video-report/
(There's also a cool vid out there with a 50 cal in microwave, round never made it out).

     Unless you live in one of those towering inferno's instead of a house, odds of thee fire reaching 4500 degrees for 90 minutes is unlikely.
Keep ammo  in the safe you have (it'll never get out)  or Military metal ammo boxes
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changemyoil66

Re: Ammo and fire
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2017, 11:35:56 AM »
Thanks for the vid. It almost became commical at the bulldozer, bonfire parts.

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Lihikai

Re: Ammo and fire
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2017, 11:52:07 AM »
Quote from: London808 on July 16, 2017, 11:04:21 AM
Do nothing, Say nothing.

You mention ammo to HFD and they will move back to a safe distance and watch your home burn.

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GlockNewb

Re: Ammo and fire
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2017, 12:12:50 PM »
Somewhat related and pretty sure the firefighter gear mentioned earlier would provide adequate protection in such close circumstances.

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RSN172

Re: Ammo and fire
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2017, 03:42:43 PM »
What a waste of very expensive ammunition.
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London808

Re: Ammo and fire
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2017, 04:23:38 PM »
Dont matter if their is little to no risk, the perceived risk is that it can kill people and as such they treat it that way.
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zippz

Re: Ammo and fire
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2017, 04:27:26 PM »
There a couple of dangers of ammo in a fire, and the risk is relatively minor.  Storing ammo inside of a ammo can, safe, or other steel enclosure could allow pressure to build and cause it to blow up.  Unlikely that all of the ammo would go off at the same time though.  The other is storing large amounts of powder would cause the fire to spread more quickly, but still minor in the overall scheme of things.
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rklapp

Re: Ammo and fire
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2017, 06:14:13 PM »
Quote from: zippz on July 17, 2017, 04:27:26 PM
The other is storing large amounts of powder would cause the fire to spread more quickly, but still minor in the overall scheme of things.
I've been storing my powders on a shelf but now I'm thinking of storing it in a wood drawer for greater fire protection.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ammo and fire
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2017, 09:13:28 PM »
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During my very long EOD career I have burned about two billion rounds of small arms ammunition. When burned in an open pit, the bullets and
fragments of the case seldom travel more than about 15 feet when the round goes off.

Small arms ammo does not mass detonate when burned in a can or otherwise. When burned in an ammo can, the can gets dented from the
bullets and that is it. When linked ammo is burned in a military ammo can one can see where every bullet made a dent or small hole in the side
of the can. Never saw a bullet penetrate the can or blow the can open.

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ren

Re: Ammo and fire
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2017, 09:25:55 PM »
Bought this for my stove
http://stovetopfirestop.com/

thinking about buying the canisters to put above my powder and ammo
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drck1000

Re: Ammo and fire
« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2017, 10:05:53 AM »
Bunch of good responses about ammo already.  I was wondering about those of you who reload and your powder.  I envision some of you with pounds and pounds of the stuff. 

One big hazard that is actually pretty common is hoarding and the various "lower levels" of the practice.  I recall one big fire where the homeowner had a bunch of old newspapers and other print material that made the fire nearly impossible to put out.  My dad tends to hold onto all sorts of different things.  Even broken TVs and stuff.  Occasionally I'll dump stuff, with his consent of course. 
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changemyoil66

Re: Ammo and fire
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2017, 10:16:15 AM »
Quote from: drck1000 on July 18, 2017, 10:05:53 AM
Bunch of good responses about ammo already.  I was wondering about those of you who reload and your powder.  I envision some of you with pounds and pounds of the stuff. 

One big hazard that is actually pretty common is hoarding and the various "lower levels" of the practice.  I recall one big fire where the homeowner had a bunch of old newspapers and other print material that made the fire nearly impossible to put out.  My dad tends to hold onto all sorts of different things.  Even broken TVs and stuff.  Occasionally I'll dump stuff, with his consent of course.

I don't think powders would "explode" unless they were compacted.  Like a musket.  You have to compact the powder.  If not it would just be a big ball of flame (like tieing firecrackers in a ball and lighting it).  But anything can be used as fuel for the fire, newpapers, couch, etc.. So the more stuff you have, the more there is to fuel the flame.

My main concern is I don't want first responders getting hit with a projectile.
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drck1000

Re: Ammo and fire
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2017, 10:32:27 AM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on July 18, 2017, 10:16:15 AM
I don't think powders would "explode" unless they were compacted.  Like a musket.  You have to compact the powder.  If not it would just be a big ball of flame (like tieing firecrackers in a ball and lighting it).  But anything can be used as fuel for the fire, newpapers, couch, etc.. So the more stuff you have, the more there is to fuel the flame.

My main concern is I don't want first responders getting hit with a projectile.
I don't reload nor do I engage in black powder, but from what I understand, the storage container is a key aspect to storing powder.  You can create a bomb by sealing the powder in a metal container.

http://www.saami.org/specifications_and_information/publications/download/SAAMI_ITEM_200-Smokeless_Powder.pdf
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changemyoil66

Re: Ammo and fire
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2017, 01:20:46 PM »
Quote from: drck1000 on July 18, 2017, 10:32:27 AM
I don't reload nor do I engage in black powder, but from what I understand, the storage container is a key aspect to storing powder.  You can create a bomb by sealing the powder in a metal container.

http://www.saami.org/specifications_and_information/publications/download/SAAMI_ITEM_200-Smokeless_Powder.pdf

I don't reload either due to lack of space.  But a lot of people recommend that I do.  Still new to the culture so I haven't advanced that far yet.
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