Business frustrated (Read 4898 times)

ren

Business frustrated
« on: July 17, 2017, 08:38:42 PM »
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/35906542/businessman-frustrated-with-hpd-after-shops-repeatedly-targeted

wonder if he's consider getting armed
of course "officials" will wish he had a big dog instead of a firearm to protect himself - all falls in line with our city leaders wanting us to be dependents sheeple
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Business frustrated
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2017, 08:57:09 PM »
"these guys walked in guns blazing!"

I don't think so ....

My first guess is, the Cops have tried to arrest these people in the past, but the justice system sends them for treatment for a few weeks or just lets them out with or without bail.  It's probably just as frustrating for the Cops to answer calls they know won't change a thing.

The first time a business owner discovers he/she can keep a firearm at their place of business legally and then has to use it in self defense, there will be a rash of businesses doing the same.  It only takes one to stand up to anarchy before others follow.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

tim808

Re: Business frustrated
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2017, 10:00:59 PM »
I didn't realize there were homeless in Kailua till I went to McDonald's after going to Kailua beach
They watch tv or use the free wifi in the parking lot.

changemyoil66

Re: Business frustrated
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2017, 09:30:00 AM »
"these guys walked in guns blazing!"

I don't think so ....

My first guess is, the Cops have tried to arrest these people in the past, but the justice system sends them for treatment for a few weeks or just lets them out with or without bail.  It's probably just as frustrating for the Cops to answer calls they know won't change a thing.

The first time a business owner discovers he/she can keep a firearm at their place of business legally and then has to use it in self defense, there will be a rash of businesses doing the same.  It only takes one to stand up to anarchy before others follow.

Business owners yes can allow it, but would the employee carry that is the question.  The girl looks very young on the video and not the type to carry or train.  I could be wrong though.  There was a business owner that was on the news that said he thinks it's only a matter of time before some gets shot.  KHON did report that an employee was assaulted in a robbery a week ago.

Surf

Re: Business frustrated
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2017, 10:29:32 AM »
That story seems to have quite a few conclusions drawn out of ignorance.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Business frustrated
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2017, 11:15:58 AM »
Business owners yes can allow it, but would the employee carry that is the question.  The girl looks very young on the video and not the type to carry or train. I could be wrong though.  There was a business owner that was on the news that said he thinks it's only a matter of time before some gets shot.  KHON did report that an employee was assaulted in a robbery a week ago.

You can tell that from a fuzzy picture on a surveillance camera?  Wow!   :worship:

Don't we hear/say firearms are the "great equalizer?"  Those less likely to have the physical ability to defend themselves against a threat are the people who need firearms the most.

I was unaware there is a "type" when it comes to firearms training.  That sounds like a stereotype -- and we know all stereotypes are wrong.  I saw people of all "types" taking the defensive handgun classes at Front Sight.

You could be right about her, or you could be wrong.  I do know people tend to make changes in their lives after living through traumatic experiences.  People who felt helpless during a crime sometimes change their attitudes about guns.  They buy one and go to the range every weekend.  They refuse to be a victim again.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: Business frustrated
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2017, 11:36:13 AM »
You can tell that from a fuzzy picture on a surveillance camera?  Wow!   :worship:

Don't we hear/say firearms are the "great equalizer?"  Those less likely to have the physical ability to defend themselves against a threat are the people who need firearms the most.

I was unaware there is a "type" when it comes to firearms training.  That sounds like a stereotype -- and we know all stereotypes are wrong.  I saw people of all "types" taking the defensive handgun classes at Front Sight.

You could be right about her, or you could be wrong.  I do know people tend to make changes in their lives after living through traumatic experiences.  People who felt helpless during a crime sometimes change their attitudes about guns.  They buy one and go to the range every weekend.  They refuse to be a victim again.

exGF was very liberal and anti gun. She said if we were to live together there would be no guns in the house PERIOD.
Until she got married and had a son (not mine). When we got back together she wanted a handgun to protect herself and her son after a burglary. She took the OGC class and bought TWO handguns because she like the Beretta Neo 22 they used. First thing she asked me if she shoots the guy burglarizing the house can she make sure he doesn't come back? (she was hinting at shooting at the head to make sure the perp was dead). I laughed and said no.
We broke up. But she needs training on when to stop the threat and not do a mag dump into the perps head.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Business frustrated
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2017, 12:27:19 PM »
exGF was very liberal and anti gun. She said if we were to live together there would be no guns in the house PERIOD.
Until she got married and had a son (not mine). When we got back together she wanted a handgun to protect herself and her son after a burglary. She took the OGC class and bought TWO handguns because she like the Beretta Neo 22 they used. First thing she asked me if she shoots the guy burglarizing the house can she make sure he doesn't come back? (she was hinting at shooting at the head to make sure the perp was dead). I laughed and said no.
We broke up. But she needs training on when to stop the threat and not do a mag dump into the perps head.

I don't know.  If you shoot someone, and they continue to ignore your commands to stop moving, seems like a legit reason to stop them from moving!   :geekdanc:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

RSN172

Re: Business frustrated
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2017, 12:58:24 PM »
An ex-cop friend told me if I have to shoot someone breaking into my home, better to kill him.  You will have less trouble than if you only wounded him.
Happily living in Puna

drck1000

Re: Business frustrated
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2017, 01:02:59 PM »
The "guns blazing" part made want to :facepalm: ,  :wacko: , and  :rofl: at the same time.

I have noticed a lot more punks in Kailua and Kaneohe area lately.  Something a teacher friend also noticed and she has lived in that area most of her life (like 50 years).

changemyoil66

Re: Business frustrated
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2017, 01:16:19 PM »
You can tell that from a fuzzy picture on a surveillance camera?  Wow!   :worship:

Don't we hear/say firearms are the "great equalizer?"  Those less likely to have the physical ability to defend themselves against a threat are the people who need firearms the most.

I was unaware there is a "type" when it comes to firearms training.  That sounds like a stereotype -- and we know all stereotypes are wrong.  I saw people of all "types" taking the defensive handgun classes at Front Sight.

You could be right about her, or you could be wrong.  I do know people tend to make changes in their lives after living through traumatic experiences.  People who felt helpless during a crime sometimes change their attitudes about guns.  They buy one and go to the range every weekend.  They refuse to be a victim again.

Hence the statement "I could be wrong though". 

Stereotypes can be wrong, but happen often enough for the stereotype to exist.  Like when you're analyzing your surroundings for threats, there is no way a 90 year old grandma in a wheel chair is going to try and rob you.  So you stereotype her and move on scanning and not waste your mental energy on her.

For all I know since this store was hit 3x in a week, she could have taken a class and applied for a permit since the permit takes 2 weeks, that could be the reason why she isn't carrying.  ;D