Honolulu Police Commission (Read 11047 times)

macsak

Re: Honolulu Police Commission
« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2017, 05:21:56 AM »
Then I guess we have to agree to disagree on where we would draw the line. I was never suggesting an exemption for only certain professions when it comes to complaints.

yes, you did
you stated multiple times that your people should be exempt from having complaints reported
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One of my buddies who is a cop got a complaint on him by a juvenile and his parents for being to rough. He hadn't done anything to the boy at all but his name was on the processing paperwork at the station since he finger printed him and that is how the juvenile had his name to make a complaint. It was later dismissed because they knew the boy was referring to a different officer but it would still suck for that officer to have a complaint on his record for the world to see, even if something at the bottom said "unfounded" or something.
I can see problems with that though. For example, what about unfounded complaints? Lets say public employee is accused of something but his name is cleared, this could come back to haunt them later. I mean do you at least see the reason for some concern about how much is revealed?
Do you think everything an officer has ever done wrong should be on full access to the public? If the officer gets counseled for being late to work, for example, do you want this to be known?

Should we stop at the police, what about teachers or the military, should any and all things in an employee's record be public?

If you don't feel that any line should be drawn then so be it but I think there should be a line drawn somewhere and I am trying to take a stab at a reasonable place to draw one. Feel free to explain if/why you don't think there should be any line.
Sorry, I meant in complaints of policy violations, not criminal ones.
I am all for transparency but I am weary of those who think an officer's entire record should be open to scrutiny too. We need increased openness but have to draw the line reasonably. Perhaps criminal issues could be open while policy violations could be kept private?

ren

Re: Honolulu Police Commission
« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2017, 09:28:37 AM »
yes, you did
you stated multiple times that your people should be exempt from having complaints reported
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Inspector

Re: Honolulu Police Commission
« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2017, 09:48:56 AM »

Who knew Mac had that in him?  :P :P :P
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

eyeeatingfish

Re: Honolulu Police Commission
« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2017, 06:39:40 PM »
yes, you did
you stated multiple times that your people should be exempt from having complaints reported
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My people?

No, I never stated that police should have a special exemption. Strawman. I have addressed police because they are the point of discussion. If this were about teachers or any other profession, I would take the same stance.

Do you think that your standard should apply to military personnel as well? Any complaints or disciplinary action should be available to the public?