not the whole story (Read 5800 times)

ren

not the whole story
« on: July 31, 2017, 09:25:14 AM »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/mexican-teenager-dies-drinking-liquid-081200419.html

I don't think the media is getting its story straight.
When I fly I remember TSA telling us we can't bring liquids on board. They tell me to drink it or toss it.
I think that's what they were telling this kid.
The meth could've put more AMERICAN lives in danger.
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oldfart

Re: not the whole story
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2017, 10:05:39 AM »
Darwin strikes again
What, Me Worry?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: not the whole story
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2017, 01:43:45 PM »
Saw this story over the weekend on 20/20 or Nightline -- can't remember which.

The video is damning for the agents.  They looked at each other and grinned when they told the kid to take a drink.  There was no audio, but the motions by the agents were obvious.  They didn't give the teen the option to decide if he should drink.  They said take a drink, then said take another.  The teen complied.

The two bottles were "water" and "apple juice", but both had the exact same golden tint.  It was obvious these were not what they advertised.

The problem is protocol.  The protocol is to request a test kit, then verify the contents contain drugs directly.  Protocol doesn't include asking border crossers to consume the contents when drugs are suspected.

There was more than enough reason to suspect drugs in the bottles.  Telling him to drink was out of line and the cause of the teen's death. 

One million dollars is a bit much for a teen who was breaking the laws of two countries.  Hopefully this prevents future acts of carelessness by border guards.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

London808

Re: not the whole story
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2017, 09:26:53 PM »
The question is, Did they force him to drink it, Could he of said no.

He made the choice to try and hide his crime and killed himself.
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

eyeeatingfish

Re: not the whole story
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2017, 09:37:40 PM »
The question is, Did they force him to drink it, Could he of said no.

He made the choice to try and hide his crime and killed himself.

 :thumbsup:

Though they could have tested it anyway after and get medical attention if they really suspected it was drugs. But I bear no sympathy for the boy.

Without sound it would be hard to prove what they were thinking. Maybe they were grinning about something else for example.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: not the whole story
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2017, 02:29:48 AM »
The question is, Did they force him to drink it, Could he of said no.

He made the choice to try and hide his crime and killed himself.

If he's being forced to play mule for the drug gangs, under threat of death or injury to himself or his family, he really doesn't have much choice but to drink and hope for the best.

He may not even understand the risk involved, perhaps not knowing the concentration of meth in the liquid someone else mixed up for him.

Again, the guards were out of line asking him to drink what was pretty obviously not water.  They should have done a chemical test, not a taste test.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

London808

Re: not the whole story
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2017, 07:42:56 AM »
If he's being forced to play mule for the drug gangs, under threat of death or injury to himself or his family, he really doesn't have much choice but to drink and hope for the best.

He may not even understand the risk involved, perhaps not knowing the concentration of meth in the liquid someone else mixed up for him.

Again, the guards were out of line asking him to drink what was pretty obviously not water.  They should have done a chemical test, not a taste test.

I typed out a reply explanation how you are wrong and how people tasting liquid they are transporting happens all the time with other agencys ect......


And then i realized just like usual your trolling so i deleted it.
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

drck1000

Re: not the whole story
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2017, 08:01:42 AM »
I definitely smell "media spin" all over this. 

Regarding the behavior of the officers, I have to believe that they deal with that stuff dozens of times a day and this is just one.  I bet in any of your professions, you come across "that person" who just makes you :facepalm:  Well, if this kid was being threatened with the lives of his sister at stake, well, he still has a choice.  Albeit an unpleasant choice.  I don't see the officers forcing him to drink it.  Could the officers have handled it better?  Maybe to even probably.  Worth getting disciplinary action against?  IMO, I don't think so. 

With the speculation of the kid doing this under the threat of his family aside, the saying "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" comes to mind.

macsak

Re: not the whole story
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2017, 08:52:27 AM »
Maybe they were grinning about something else for example.

maybe

changemyoil66

Re: not the whole story
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2017, 09:07:07 AM »
Fake news, and how now I saw on yahoo that the Seth Rich story was pushed by a Trump doaner.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: not the whole story
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2017, 01:01:42 PM »
I typed out a reply explanation how you are wrong and how people tasting liquid they are transporting happens all the time with other agencys ect......


And then i realized just like usual your trolling so i deleted it.

You're welcome to your opinion, but protocol is protocol,

The agents are still employed, and the agency admitted they would have had to show incompetence or malice in their making him drink for it to be punishable.

For now, additional training and a review of policies and protocols is deemed sufficient ..... oh, and a $1 million settlement to the family, even though "nobody did anything wrong."
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

London808

Re: not the whole story
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2017, 09:37:05 PM »
You're welcome to your opinion, but protocol is protocol,

The agents are still employed, and the agency admitted they would have had to show incompetence or malice in their making him drink for it to be punishable.

For now, additional training and a review of policies and protocols is deemed sufficient ..... oh, and a $1 million settlement to the family, even though "nobody did anything wrong."

"The officers were not reprimanded or prosecuted and are still employed today."

"After a review, the US Customs and Border Protection said “no further action was warranted and the officers involved were not disciplined.”"

"Cruz's family filed a lawsuit in a federal Californian court and settled for $1 million in March."

Notice the words "California" and "settled"

"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

Flapp_Jackson

Re: not the whole story
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2017, 10:21:26 PM »
"The officers were not reprimanded or prosecuted and are still employed today."

"After a review, the US Customs and Border Protection said “no further action was warranted and the officers involved were not disciplined.”"

"Cruz's family filed a lawsuit in a federal Californian court and settled for $1 million in March."

Notice the words "California" and "settled"


Let me show you my shocked face ....

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: not the whole story
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2017, 01:28:05 PM »
Illegals and their families cashing in now with CA's judgements that favor them.  Had the other illegal who was arrested and got a payout by CA also.