So, I read in the law where firearms without serial numbers have to be registered using the permit number and then engraved on the firearm...   What happens if it's a firearm with no serial number that one brought with himself when one moves here and there was no "permit"?

Theoretically, could one perpetually claim one just finished the gun "yesterday" and haven't refostered it yet?

First off, no one here does anything illegal. 

Also, my understanding is that I can buy an 80% lower without a permit.
Finish it without a permit.
And register it without a permit.
So I'm not sure how I could put my permit number on it.
(Technically I manufactured it. I didn't acquire it.)

But I'm certainly no legal expert.

So, I read in the law where firearms without serial numbers have to be registered using the permit number and then engraved on the firearm...   What happens if it's a firearm with no serial number that one brought with himself when one moves here and there was no "permit"?

Theoretically, could one perpetually claim one just finished the gun "yesterday" and haven't refostered it yet?

Permits are for "acquiring" the firearm/receiver.  80% receivers are not required to have a permit for purchase.  However, you should obtain a valid long gun permit prior to going to register the receiver.

Once you start milling and get beyond 80% complete, you have 5 days to register.

You can put any serial number you want on the receiver.  If you don't engrave it, the Cops will engrave the Permit form control number on it using an engraving pen.

If you care about appearance, you're better off doing the engraving before registering.

I've not gone through this process myself.  Hopefully someone who has can fill in any important details in the process.

 

Permits are for "acquiring" the firearm/receiver.  80% receivers are not required to have a permit for purchase.  However, you should obtain a valid long gun permit prior to going to register the receiver.

Once you start milling and get beyond 80% complete, you have 5 days to register.

You can put any serial number you want on the receiver.  If you don't engrave it, the Cops will engrave the registration form control number on it using an engraving pen.

If you care about appearance, you're better off doing the engraving before registering.

I've not gone through this process myself.  Hopefully someone who has can fill in any important details in the process.

 

not suggesting anything illegal, but how do they know you finished it within the last 5 days?  They going to have CSI check your router bits?

not suggesting anything illegal, but how do they know you finished it within the last 5 days?  They going to have CSI check your router bits?

Let's see ... a nosey roommate, a pissed-off girl friend, or the Cops when they come take your guns without prior notice in response to a Domestic Violence report.

You never know how that unregistered, unserialized gun gets found out until it happens.

Unfortunately, they would probably believe a pissed off girlfriend over you.

So, I read in the law where firearms without serial numbers have to be registered using the permit number and then engraved on the firearm...   What happens if it's a firearm with no serial number that one brought with himself when one moves here and there was no "permit"?

Theoretically, could one perpetually claim one just finished the gun "yesterday" and haven't refostered it yet?

Engrave "for target shooting only" on the side and it's not a firearm,

First off, no one here does anything illegal. 

Also, my understanding is that I can buy an 80% lower without a permit.
Finish it without a permit.
And register it without a permit.
So I'm not sure how I could put my permit number on it.
(Technically I manufactured it. I didn't acquire it.)

But I'm certainly no legal expert.

The law says or otherwise bring into the state

Here's other threads on the topic.

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=11565.0

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=26513.0

So do I need a permit to complete/register an 80% lower?

Went through HRS 134 but only found the part about to acquire (defined as "gain ownership of") nothing about personally manufactured/home built.
Does that mean I acquired it.

More to the point of this thread it appears you can put your own serial number on. It doesn't need to be the permit number unless you take it in to register it without a serial number on it.

H.R.S. 134-3
   (b)  Every person who acquires a firearm pursuant to section 134-2 shall register the firearm in the manner prescribed by this section within five days of acquisition.  The registration shall be on forms prescribed by the attorney general, which shall be uniform throughout the State, and shall include the following information:  name of the manufacturer and importer; model; type of action; caliber or gauge; serial number;and source from which receipt was obtained, including the name and address of the prior registrant. If the firearm has no serial number, the permit number shall be entered in the space provided for the serial number, and the permit number shall be engraved upon the receiver portion of the firearm prior to registration.

Here's another thread on the topic.

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=11565.0

So do I need a permit to complete/register an 80% lower?

Went through HRS 134 but only found the part about to acquire (defined as "gain ownership of") nothing about personally manufactured/home built.

 §134-1  Definitions.   :    "Acquire" means gain ownership of.

§134-2  Permits to acquire.  (a) No person shall acquire the ownership of a firearm, whether usable or unusable, serviceable or unserviceable, modern or antique, registered under prior law or by a prior owner or unregistered, either by purchase, gift, inheritance, bequest, or in any other manner, whether procured in the State or imported by mail, express, freight, or otherwise, until the person has first procured from the chief of police of the county............

Also see

§134-3  Registration, mandatory, exceptions.  (a)  Every person arriving in the State who brings or by any other manner causes to be brought into the State a firearm of any description, whether usable or unusable, serviceable or unserviceable, modern or antique, shall register the firearm within five days after arrival of the person or of the firearm, whichever arrives later,

That's the confusing part.
Looks like I can take my 80% lower out of State (with my drill and dremel), finish it and bring it back and register it with no permit.
But I need a permit and to wait 14 days before I can start work on it in State.

Again, back to the point of this thread, appears you can put your own serial number on it per HRS 134-3 as quoted above.
Doesn't have to be the permit number.

That's the confusing part.
Looks like I can take my 80% lower out of State (with my drill and dremel), finish it and bring it back and register it with no permit.
But I need a permit and to wait 14 days before I can start work on it in State.

That is correct

Thanks London.