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oldfart

Coated Bullet Project
« on: November 06, 2017, 12:20:56 PM »
I cast my own bullets but my curiousity got me.
I'm going to compare my bullets with coated bullets from Blue, SNS, and Bayou.
Here are Blue and SNS.
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macsak

Re: Coated Bullet Project
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2017, 12:23:58 PM »
Quote from: oldfart on November 06, 2017, 12:20:56 PM
I cast my own bullets but my curiousity got me.
I'm going to compare my bullets with coated bullets from Blue, SNS, and Bayou.
Here are Blue and SNS.

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awesome project
I look forward to your results
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TooFewPews

Re: Coated Bullet Project
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2017, 12:24:19 PM »
Cool project.

Here is my load data for ACME 135gr RN NLG coated in case you might find it useful

ACME Bullet Company 135 grain RN-NLG coated
Hi-Skor 700-x:
3.4 grains (956 fps out of VP9; approximately 129.06 PF)
3.5 grains (967 fps out of VP9; approximately 130.54 PF)
3.6 grains (990 fps out of VP9; approximately 133.65 PF)
3.7 grains (1004 fps out of VP9; approximately 135.54 PF)
3.8 grains (1023 fps out of VP9; approximately 138.10 PF)
3.9 grains (1047 fps out of VP9; approximately 141.34 PF)
COL: 1.135" (very minor crimp)

CFE Pistol (velocity / PowerFactor)
               VP9         p226         RO9
4.2gr      959/129      975/132      985/133
4.3gr      972/131      976/132      986/133
4.4gr      999/135      1,010/136      1,014/137
4.5gr      1,023/138      1,025/138      1,042/141
4.6gr      1,027/139      1,025/138      1,053/142
4.7gr      1,048/141      1,047/141      1,087/147
COL: 1.135" (very minor crimp)


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Inspector

Re: Coated Bullet Project
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2017, 12:26:35 PM »
Quote from: oldfart on November 06, 2017, 12:20:56 PM
I cast my own bullets but my curiousity got me.
I'm going to compare my bullets with coated bullets from Blue, SNS, and Bayou.
Here are Blue and SNS.
Really interested in seeing your results!!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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oldfart

Re: Coated Bullet Project
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2017, 12:44:07 PM »
There seems to be a lot of small companies making coated bullets.
If anyone would like to donate a few 45 cal. Bullets from a different company, I will include them in the project.
I'm not really sure how this is going to pan out because of the variables involved.
This project will focus on 200 and 230 gr. 45 acp bullets only.
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oldfart

Re: Coated Bullet Project
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2017, 12:47:03 PM »
Quote from: TooFewPews on November 06, 2017, 12:24:19 PM
Cool project.

Here is my load data for ACME 135gr RN NLG coated in case you might find it useful

ACME Bullet Company 135 grain RN-NLG coated
Hi-Skor 700-x:
3.4 grains (956 fps out of VP9; approximately 129.06 PF)
3.5 grains (967 fps out of VP9; approximately 130.54 PF)
3.6 grains (990 fps out of VP9; approximately 133.65 PF)
3.7 grains (1004 fps out of VP9; approximately 135.54 PF)
3.8 grains (1023 fps out of VP9; approximately 138.10 PF)
3.9 grains (1047 fps out of VP9; approximately 141.34 PF)
COL: 1.135" (very minor crimp)

CFE Pistol (velocity / PowerFactor)
               VP9         p226         RO9
4.2gr      959/129      975/132      985/133
4.3gr      972/131      976/132      986/133
4.4gr      999/135      1,010/136      1,014/137
4.5gr      1,023/138      1,025/138      1,042/141
4.6gr      1,027/139      1,025/138      1,053/142
4.7gr      1,048/141      1,047/141      1,087/147
COL: 1.135" (very minor crimp)
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Good Intel.

You tried any 45 acp?
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TooFewPews

Re: Coated Bullet Project
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2017, 12:50:20 PM »
Quote from: oldfart on November 06, 2017, 12:47:03 PM
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Good Intel.

You tried any 45 acp?

nope.  it is difficult finding good load data for these coated bullets, especially with newer powders, like CFE Pistol.

I'm interested in your 45 results though since i need to make an order of 230gr RN and i was considering going coated this time.  I usually go with copper plated or FMJ (if i can find a good deal on the FMJ).
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Heavies

Re: Coated Bullet Project
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2017, 07:04:19 PM »
Quote from: oldfart on November 06, 2017, 12:44:07 PM
There seems to be a lot of small companies making coated bullets.
If anyone would like to donate a few 45 cal. Bullets from a different company, I will include them in the project.
I'm not really sure how this is going to pan out because of the variables involved.
This project will focus on 200 and 230 gr. 45 acp bullets only.

I might have some coated .45, I'll look when I get home from work.
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Heavies

Re: Coated Bullet Project
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2017, 07:11:48 PM »
Quote from: oldfart on November 06, 2017, 12:47:03 PM
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Good Intel.

You tried any 45 acp?

I tried coated .45acp with the tried and true 3.5 bullseye, 200 grain SWC.  shot just as good as lead, only cleaner and less mess.   I shoot 9mm coated 147 SWC from SNS.  I like it a lot, same thing less mess, less to clean.  Don't have any velocity numbers, would mind shooting them over the chrono to see.  I believe it was 3.2 bullseye.
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oldfart

Re: Coated Bullet Project
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2017, 09:11:50 PM »
Quote from: Heavies on November 07, 2017, 07:04:19 PM
I might have some coated .45, I'll look when I get home from work.
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I got SNS and Blue bullets already. Still waiting for Bayou to come in.
I'm going to load some test ammo tonight and go shoot tomorrow.
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TooFewPews

Re: Coated Bullet Project
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2017, 11:01:13 PM »
Quote from: oldfart on November 07, 2017, 09:11:50 PM
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I got SNS and Blue bullets already. Still waiting for Bayou to come in.
I'm going to load some test ammo tonight and go shoot tomorrow.

How much are you paying per bullet (with shipping)?
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oldfart

Re: Coated Bullet Project
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2017, 02:36:34 AM »
Quote from: TooFewPews on November 07, 2017, 11:01:13 PM
How much are you paying per bullet (with shipping)?
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Since I only ordered small sample packs, the cost per bullet was pretty high.
Cost was not my primary concern at the moment.
I get the impression that if you order in normal quantities the prices would be comparable to everybody else, including xtreme, precision delta, Rainer, Montana, etc, etc.

I think the sample packs cost me about $120.00 for 900 bullets.

FYI, since I cast my own bullets 1000 cost me less than 20 bucks. (45/200gr SWC)
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oldfart

Re: Coated Bullet Project
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2017, 07:08:54 AM »
Test loads for today.
All loaded with the same charge of 4.9 IMR TARGET.
1. Precision delta 230 gr.fmj
2. Blue 200
3. SNS 200
4. Blue 230
5. SNS 230
6. Saeco 68 200
7. Xtreme 230
8. Western Nevada 230

Looking to see relative speed with same powder charge.
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Inspector

Re: Coated Bullet Project
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2017, 07:35:52 AM »
Quote from: oldfart on November 08, 2017, 07:08:54 AM
Test loads for today.
All loaded with the same charge of 4.9 IMR TARGET.
1. Precision delta 230 gr.fmj
2. Blue 200
3. SNS 200
4. Blue 230
5. SNS 230
6. Saeco 68 200
7. Xtreme 230
8. Western Nevada 230

Looking to see relative speed with same powder charge.
That's some good lookin' ammonition yoos got der OF!!!  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Are you going to do any accuracy testing as well? Just curious...
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TooFewPews

Re: Coated Bullet Project
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2017, 07:53:57 AM »
Quote from: oldfart on November 08, 2017, 07:08:54 AM
Test loads for today.
All loaded with the same charge of 4.9 IMR TARGET.
1. Precision delta 230 gr.fmj
2. Blue 200
3. SNS 200
4. Blue 230
5. SNS 230
6. Saeco 68 200
7. Xtreme 230
8. Western Nevada 230

Looking to see relative speed with same powder charge.

what cartridge overall length did you decide on for each of these loads?
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macsak

Re: Coated Bullet Project
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2017, 08:02:06 AM »
Quote from: TooFewPews on November 08, 2017, 07:53:57 AM
what cartridge overall length did you decide on for each of these loads?
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good question
I was wondering if the different shape of each head would make a difference
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oldfart

Re: Coated Bullet Project
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2017, 08:14:43 AM »
Quote from: Inspector on November 08, 2017, 07:35:52 AM
That's some good lookin' ammonition yoos got der OF!!!  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Are you going to do any accuracy testing as well? Just curious...
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Yes they are pretty colors aren't they?
I intend to shoot groups with most of the various loads, but you know accuracy testing takes a lot more effort.
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oldfart

Re: Coated Bullet Project
« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2017, 08:30:00 AM »
Quote from: TooFewPews on November 08, 2017, 07:53:57 AM
what cartridge overall length did you decide on for each of these loads?
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They are all standard profile bullets so I left the seater alone from the last job I did which was the Saeco68.
I use a RN seater punch and it works well for both profiles.
The SWC profiles are 1.250 and the RN profiles are 1.260.
You will note that the driving bands are exactly where they should be, approximately 1/32 in.exposed.
Taper crimp to 0.466

I expect the BLUE bullets to shoot a little faster because the are sized a bit smaller by default...0.451.
Most lead bullets are 0.452.
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oldfart

Re: Coated Bullet Project
« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2017, 10:24:17 AM »
The mailman just delivered the Bayou bullets.
Just in time to crank off a few test rounds before I head out.
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rklapp

Re: Coated Bullet Project
« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2017, 03:47:27 PM »
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