Save your pennies!  I'd hazard a guess to start sometime late next year, assuming the president signs off, which im pretty sure he will.


On the handguns headed to the CMP, the bill instructs the Secretary of the Army to conduct a two-year pilot program that will transfer “not less than 8,000 surplus caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 pistols” in 2018 with a cap of no more than 10,000 transferred per fiscal year. The program would then be reviewed to ensure the guns were sold by CMP in accordance with applicable federal laws and evaluate its cost to the Army.
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Fast forward to today and, while Depot officials earlier this year showed Guns.com crated 1911s ready to transfer, and CMP is eager to receive them to begin the lengthy process to inspect, grade, and sell these pistols to the public, the guns are still in a holding pattern with the military spending an estimated $2 per gun, per year, to store the surplus weapons.

http://www.guns.com/2017/11/20/congress-passes-spending-bill-that-includes-selling-milsurp-1911s-through-cmp/

I'm in for one.  Hope they're not too expensive.

I have an Army one.
Don't expect to win beauty pageants with them but it does shoot well
If its in the price range of a Les Baer, I'd go with the Les Baer - that is if you want to shoot it vs drooling over it in a shadow box.

Interesting that President Obama signed it - President Trump has yet to deliver to us 2A folks beyond the rhetoric

I have an Army one.
Don't expect to win beauty pageants with them but it does shoot well
If its in the price range of a Les Baer, I'd go with the Les Baer - that is if you want to shoot it vs drooling over it in a shadow box.

Interesting that President Obama signed it - President Trump has yet to deliver to us 2A folks beyond the rhetoric

The NDAA of 2016 that Congress passed and Obama signed authorized the SECDEF to transfer 1911s to CMP with a cap of 10,000 out of the over 100,000 pistols in inventory.  Zero pistols were transferred under Obama.

The new NDAA of 2018 that the House passed, and Trump will sign after it passes the Senate, would effectively make it mandatory for the SECDEF to transfer the pistols to CMP, and the cap would be totally lifted.

I think we can see which administration is actually for 2A and which one just paid it lip service while doing the exact opposite.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20170714/cmp-sales-of-1911s-one-step-closer-with-house-passage-of-2018-ndaa

^exactly flap.  Obama could have released themif he wanted to.  This bill has no cute "out" clause, so if Trump signs, it will happen .  The CMP itself is already indicating they expect it to happen.

Pricing wise, id guess it to be similar to the garands.  700 for a used "service grade".  Less for rougher guns.  Rare guns to be auctioned.  Current vintage 1911 holders probably not happy cause this will crash the value of their guns.   Good to note that the supply of these guns is way way way less than the garands.  100k doled out over 10 years is not a huge number

11/22/17 - Latest update on the 1911’s…..

Because of the limited number and the exceedingly high demand for the pistol, and the great level of Congressional scrutiny, the Board of Directors will make a decision regarding how sales will be handled. We have no further information at this time. – Mrs. Judith Legerski, Chairman, CMP Board of Directors.

Regards,

Charlie

CMP website

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It would be interesting to see how they handle the shipping of these guns.  Garands bypass the FFL and ship directly to the buyer.  Would the federal law trump hawaii's BS permitting process, and allow buyers to simply order off cmp, then register?

If I were to hazard a guess, they'd want to adhere to state laws regarding permitting and possibly require one sent in from the buyer before shipping to them (directly).  This would be done to appease the naysayers.  I remember everytime the subject of the 1911s comes up, there's a huge outcry from liberals about "ghost guns" or the fear that crime rates will skyrocket because of more handguns in circulation.     Like criminals are going to pay an elevated price for an C&R pistol, when it's possible to acquire something brand new for much much cheaper.

Me want me want!

http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/Bunker9939/M1911%20and%20M1911A1/Canned%20Storage_zps04d2sazo.jpg

I was about to ask, but I saw the link in the quote. Interesting way to store these.

Rapback needs to go away..........  soon!

As expected, prices will be high.  Higher than what I expected.

https://www.thegunwriter.com/23661/cmp-general-manager-can-expect-pay-surplus-1911/

Pricing, Cooper said, is expected to be between $800-$1,000 for shooters

As expected, prices will be high.  Higher than what I expected.

Yup, kinda bummed out about that.

it really needs to be on the low end of that.  "shooters" are what, field grades? 

I understand that there should be a premium because of historical collector value, but at $1000, you can probably buy 2 current production 1911s. 

No criminal is going through the CMP to get their guns.  There's the black market for that.  And if they were inclined to purchase a gun through legal channels, for $200, they can get a brand new low end semi auto gun.  There's no reason to get a +70 year old relic to rob a liquor store of a few $20s and bottle of malt liquor
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On another site, they were talking about limits, I forget which site.  But don't expect a 8 gun limit like the garands.  It'll probably be 1 per person, and I would expect the 10,000 allocation to be gone very quickly.  Once they start getting closer to being ready to offer these things up, you should have your paperwork ready to submit your application.  For me, I hope my C&R license goes through by that time, as I do believe that these 1911s are listed.  It would avoid any idiotic permitting redtape created by HPD.  And we won't have any idea if the shipping to FFL requirement will be in effect for these (they aren't for garands) until the time gets closer.

No criminal is going through the CMP to get their guns.  There's the black market for that.  And if they were inclined to purchase a gun through legal channels, for $200, they can get a brand new low end semi auto gun.  There's no reason to get a +70 year old relic to rob a liquor store of a few $20s and bottle of malt liquor

 

Referring to his quote in the article

“It’s hard to say exactly, but a good guess will be around $1,000 minimum,” he said. “One reason for this is that the 1911 is a very valuable pistol. Even though they may be shot out or busted up, we don’t want them falling into the hands of people who will just leave them in a glove box. We want a perceived value — more of an heirloom. We don’t want them considered a standard sidearm. All we need is to have someone commit a liquor store robbery with one and then we’ll be held accountable.

Looks like the FFL rule will be in effect for the 1911s.  No word on C&R license holders getting the guns directly.  I'm guessing even if you have a C&R license, you need to go through FFL too since theyre basically requiring the 4473 to be done in person at the FFL.

Looks like they're anticipating far more than 10,000 orders.  They're going to sell by lottery system, and higher # lottery number holders will have first pick of grade.  They will cut off the orders at 10,000, so if you want to ensure getting one, you probably need to ship an express envelope (pretty expensive). 


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To all CMP constituents:
 
The CMP Board of Directors has discussed at length how the sales of 1911s would be handled, if the CMP were to ever receive them from the United States Army.
 
Some preliminary decisions:
 

    Decisions concerning the grade and pricing of the 1911s will not be made until inspection has occurred of a substantial quantity which will take an estimated 150 days post receipt.
 
  All laws pertaining to the sale of 1911s by CMP will be strictly obeyed.
   
Potential purchasers will have to provide to CMP a new set of documents exhibiting:  1) proof of U.S. Citizenship, 2) proof of membership in a CMP affiliated club, 3) proof of participation in a marksmanship activity, 4) a new form 2A with notary, 5) successful completion of a NICS background check, 6) a signed copy of the 01 Federal Firearms License in which the 1911 will be transferred to.

    The CMP customer will be required to complete a form 4473 in person and successfully complete another NICS check by the recipient FFL holder before the pistol can be transferred.

    Qualified CMP customer will only be allowed to purchase one 1911 per calendar year.
 
   No 1911s available in the CMP stores, or on line, only mail order sales.
 
   CMP will set the date in which it will accept orders for the 1911s. The date will be posted to the world.

    Orders will only be accepted via mail order delivery.

    Orders will only be accepted post marked on the date or after, no early orders.
 
   Once CMP receives 10,000 orders, customer names will be loaded into the Random Number Generator.

    The Random Number Generator will provide a list of names in sequence order through a random picking process to CMP.

    Customers will be contacted in the sequence provided by the Random Number Generator.

    When the customer is contacted a list of 1911 grades and pricing options that are available will be offered for selection of one.
 
   As CMP proceeds down the sequenced list less grade and pricing options will be available. Again, this done completely random.

nevermind

nevermind

lol i see you figured it out.

It looks like pretty much the same way any handgun is purchased from an out of state seller.  The permitting from HPD is a separate issue. 

For $800-1000, I would go for a nice SA 1911

CMP 1911 sales rules require 2 NICS checks:  1 by CMP before shipping, and 1 by the receiving FFL before the buyer picks it up -- like something is going to change during shipping?

I can see them wanting to avoid a certain number being returned when/if a buyer fails the NICS check, so running one before shipping could save them a few headaches.  It also covers them from sending to states that don't run NICS checks for purchases by CCW permit holders.

FFL 03 C&R seems to be given no consideration at all, even though the pistols > 50 years old are legally C&R eligible.