Handgun sale (Read 6529 times)

Johnasan

Handgun sale
« on: November 28, 2017, 08:11:02 PM »
Anyone know if they changed the rules to registering a handgun at HPD?
I sold a pistol to someone. They went to HPD to acquire the permit. Now waiting the two weeks. Officer at HPD said that I needed to be there to hand off the gun to new owner. I thought they just had to bring me something to sign and I can give them the pistol. Then they bring it back to HPD to register. Any info is appreciated

suka

Re: Handgun sale
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2017, 08:16:49 PM »
Anyone know if they changed the rules to registering a handgun at HPD?
I sold a pistol to someone. They went to HPD to acquire the permit. Now waiting the two weeks. Officer at HPD said that I needed to be there to hand off the gun to new owner. I thought they just had to bring me something to sign and I can give them the pistol. Then they bring it back to HPD to register. Any info is appreciated

HPD is full of SHIT , and it smell bad.
Get the Officers name and lodge a complaint.

London808

Re: Handgun sale
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2017, 08:17:40 PM »
Anyone know if they changed the rules to registering a handgun at HPD?
I sold a pistol to someone. They went to HPD to acquire the permit. Now waiting the two weeks. Officer at HPD said that I needed to be there to hand off the gun to new owner. I thought they just had to bring me something to sign and I can give them the pistol. Then they bring it back to HPD to register. Any info is appreciated

They trying to feed you a big old bag of BS
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

zippz

Re: Handgun sale
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2017, 08:37:30 PM »
Probably a miscommunication.  It is better and easier to do the transaction at HPD, but not required.

2ahavvaii

Re: Handgun sale
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2017, 09:16:24 PM »
It is not required to do it at hpd, but nice to do to ensure things go smoothly.  You mostly need a bill of sale from the current owner.  I would match the info on the bill of sale against their ID.   After you get the permit, take the bill of sale to HPD with the permit and gun, and you should be good to go.  If the current owner didn't register that handgun or it was stolen or something, they could potentially get in a ton of trouble trouble.  So it would be stupid of them to sell you a gun that they don't own because it'll come back to them.  Again, doing the transaction at HPD is helpful in that HPD will make sure all of that is kosher, then you can hand over the cash.

If he hands over the gun before the 2 weeks are up, and you take it to HPD and try to register at the same time you pick up the permit, you could technically get in trouble.  Especially if they close down the left permitting side, and it's obvious you had the gun in your possession.

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On the flip side, if you dont want to go to HPD, wait until he has the permit and shows it to you.  Then do the transaction and fill out a bill of sale.  At that point, as far as you're concerned, the transaction is done.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Handgun sale
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2017, 09:36:38 PM »
It is not required to do it at hpd, but nice to do to ensure things go smoothly.  You mostly need a bill of sale from the current owner.  I would match the info on the bill of sale against their ID.   After you get the permit, take the bill of sale to HPD with the permit and gun, and you should be good to go.  If the current owner didn't register that handgun or it was stolen or something, they could potentially get in a ton of trouble trouble.  So it would be stupid of them to sell you a gun that they don't own because it'll come back to them.  Again, doing the transaction at HPD is helpful in that HPD will make sure all of that is kosher, then you can hand over the cash.

If he hands over the gun before the 2 weeks are up, and you take it to HPD and try to register at the same time you pick up the permit, you could technically get in trouble.  Especially if they close down the left permitting side, and it's obvious you had the gun in your possession.

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On the flip side, if you dont want to go to HPD, wait until he has the permit and shows it to you.  Then do the transaction and fill out a bill of sale.  At that point, as far as you're concerned, the transaction is done.

First thing, the OP is the seller, not the buyer.  Just a detail.   :D

Second, the buyer can't take the pistol to HPD the day he picks up the permit unless the seller is there, too.  The seller has to sign the back of the permit before  the buyer can register.  If the buyer picks up the permit, then goes to get the signature and pistol from the buyer, he's good to return to HPD alone and register.

That's how they set up the system anyway.  However, it saves the buyer two trips and makes it easier and safer for both to meet up at HPD on the day the permit is ready.  Only a jerk would make the buyer do that extra HPD trip plus have to meet up to get the gun and signature, then go BACK to HPD, unless there are extenuating circumstances.  It's more efficient to just meet on Permit Pickup day and take care of it all at one time.

Have to?  No.  Smart to do?  Yes.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

2ahavvaii

Re: Handgun sale
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2017, 10:32:18 PM »
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lol that's what i figured out after typing it, so added the second part.   ;D

Buyer would need to fake scribble the seller signature.  Note - I'm not saying this should be done or that the seller should relinquish control of the pistol before the buyer gets the permit.  Just saying above that you can get into trouble for taking these type of shortcuts.  And you can potentially both get in a lot of trouble for it.

Personally, if I'm buying, I prefer to assume that the seller's description is "as stated",and go ahead and get the permit without viewing the firearm.  Meeting at the station and viewing the firearm once the permit is ready saves both the buyer and the seller 1 meetup.  I agree on the "smart to do" bit.

2ahavvaii

Re: Handgun sale
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2017, 10:36:59 PM »
Anyone know if they changed the rules to registering a handgun at HPD?
I sold a pistol to someone. They went to HPD to acquire the permit. Now waiting the two weeks. Officer at HPD said that I needed to be there to hand off the gun to new owner. I thought they just had to bring me something to sign and I can give them the pistol. Then they bring it back to HPD to register. Any info is appreciated

And which officer told you that?  You can describe them.  There are only so many officers working in firearms.  lol

Surf

Re: Handgun sale
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2017, 06:44:13 PM »
Could it have gone something like this?

Buyer: Officer, can I save myself another trip and just register the pistol when I pick up my permit?
HPD: Sure, but that would require the owner to be present to sign the paperwork to complete the transfer.

But ya, I am sure this one guy behind the counter who does registrations all day, every day and could probably give two shits about complicating his day was just fucking with the guy to entertain himself.

aieahound

Re: Handgun sale
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2017, 07:19:52 PM »
But ya, I am sure this one guy behind the counter who does registrations all day, every day and could probably give two shits about complicating his day was just fucking with the guy to entertain himself.

Del Prado !

Just kidding. Love Del Prado.
Is he still there?

dogman

Re: Handgun sale
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2017, 07:45:38 PM »
Del Prado !

Just kidding. Love Del Prado.
Is he still there?
I didn't see him the last couple times I went, though it's been a while. Someone with knowledge told me he moved on to a new assignment. I remember asking him if I can still put down my hair color as black since it's more white now. His response was something like " what are you complaining about, at least you have hair!"

aieahound

Re: Handgun sale
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2017, 09:53:50 PM »
Little off topic but HPD firearms window used to be pretty good I thought.

Handsome buggah Portagee Guy in the aloha shirt.
Del Prado. Who knows what the f¥€£ he was other than a comedian.  (Good guy)
Sawed off Japanee guy with the tatoo sleeves. Had to wear long sleeves after.
Short older Filipino guy, always smiling.
Big ass Korean guy who was always interested in your latest purchase.
Kinda quiet younger Hawaiian guy.
All helpful guys if they could help.
Sometimes, no can,, no can.

And the one young guy who was alway too serious.
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2ahavvaii

Re: Handgun sale
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2017, 10:32:58 PM »
Little off topic but HPD firearms window used to be pretty good I thought.

Handsome buggah Portagee Guy in the aloha shirt.
Del Prado. Who knows what the f¥€£ he was other than a comedian.  (Good guy)
Sawed off Japanee guy with the tatoo sleeves. Had to wear long sleeves after.
Short older Filipino guy, always smiling.
Big ass Korean guy who was always interested in your latest purchase.
Kinda quiet younger Hawaiian guy.
All helpful guys if they could help.
Sometimes, no can,, no can.

And the one young guy who was alway too serious.

I'm pretty sure a lot of those guys still there.  I think del prado is the portugese guy, sorta balding, kinda grumpy but in a funny way?
short japanese guy and big korean guy still there.
get one thicker japanese lady, she dont really work the counter.  She might be the boss or something and does the computer stuff in the back
and 1-2 other newer people that I forget what they look like.