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CCW National Reciprocity Bill on the Move in the House (Read 45118 times)

macsak

Re: CCW National Reciprocity Bill on the Move in the House
« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2017, 10:54:15 AM »
Quote from: suka on November 30, 2017, 08:43:13 AM

You know that all firearms arriving in the State would need to be registered. Just as much as car arriving from the mainland needs to be registered and have a permit to drive on the road.
Visitors wishing to carry on the islands would be required to register their firearms at HPD.

and join rapback...
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: CCW National Reciprocity Bill on the Move in the House
« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2017, 10:59:08 AM »
Quote from: macsak on November 30, 2017, 10:54:15 AM
and join rapback...

Is that true true?  HPD would have no interest in tracking visitors' LE encounters once they are no longer in Hawaii.  They won't be able to confiscate anyone's weapons if the visitor is no longer in Hawaii.

Doesn't make sense to enroll them into something that gives HPD zero benefit.
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2ahavvaii

Re: CCW National Reciprocity Bill on the Move in the House
« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2017, 11:17:00 AM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on November 30, 2017, 10:40:33 AM
But also very unenforceable unless used.

I know I asked and was answered in another post, but I can't find it.

What's the process of the bill becoming law?

Same as any other bill.  House/senate approve identical bill (if they both approve their own versions, they need to hash out the differences).  Both approving their own versions, then hashing it out is faster than 1 going first, then the second or dealign with the issue that one supports and the other doesn't have the votes for it (wasting time).    Then it goes to president to sign.
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2ahavvaii

Re: CCW National Reciprocity Bill on the Move in the House
« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2017, 11:19:11 AM »
Quote from: suka on November 30, 2017, 08:43:13 AM

You know that all firearms arriving in the State would need to be registered. Just as much as car arriving from the mainland needs to be registered and have a permit to drive on the road.
Visitors wishing to carry on the islands would be required to register their firearms at HPD.

Honestly I think we're looking too far ahead.  Once the bill passes, maybe we consider some of these other side effects.  In reality, if all of this happens, it'll probably be an issue and cause problems for maybe 6 months, before our lawmakers change the rules to state that if "non-residents stay in hawaii for a period up to XX days and have a valid permit, no need for rapback or registration"
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suka

Re: CCW National Reciprocity Bill on the Move in the House
« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2017, 11:31:21 AM »
Why make carrying a firearm much more efficient. The AG goon, HPD and the local legislature wants to make carrying firearms nearly impossible for everyone.

I foresee HPD requiring all visitor to register their firearms, confiscating firearms/ magazines  and making the whole ordeal as difficult as possible.



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2ahavvaii

Re: CCW National Reciprocity Bill on the Move in the House
« Reply #25 on: November 30, 2017, 11:34:10 AM »
Quote from: suka on November 30, 2017, 11:31:21 AM
Why make carrying a firearm much more efficient. The AG goon, HPD and the local legislature wants to make carrying firearms nearly impossible for everyone.

I foresee HPD requiring all visitor to register at HPD, confiscating firearms/ magazines  and making the whole ordeal as difficult as possible.

The visitor industry is hawaii's cash cow....  Probably pull some stupid stunts at first, but then when they have a shitton of people pissed off and breathing down their neck because their idiotic policy is blowing up in the media and it's affecting the tourist market, they'll reverse course.   At least with marijuana, they have the federal legality issue to stand on.  If they try to throw roadblocks in front of a federal reciprocity law, they'll have a lot tougher time attempting to justify that.   Just look at what happened with them backpedaling on the marijuana thing, and that only affected 30 current gunowners.    The letters only hit the media 2 days ago.

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suka

Re: CCW National Reciprocity Bill on the Move in the House
« Reply #26 on: November 30, 2017, 01:26:47 PM »
Hopefully TRUE!

If Larry Pratt and Wayne LaPeirre were forced to register their firearms , Im sure the nation media would be entertaining,.
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changemyoil66

Re: CCW National Reciprocity Bill on the Move in the House
« Reply #27 on: November 30, 2017, 01:28:36 PM »
Quote from: suka on November 30, 2017, 01:26:47 PM
Hopefully TRUE!

If Larry Pratt and Wayne LaPeirre were forced to register their firearms , Im sure the nation media would be entertaining,.

Maybe we should all chip in to have them fly here to give a speech and then they find out 1st hand how bad it is.

1) No CCW
2) Registration
3) Rapback
4) Places to keep law
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Heavies

Re: CCW National Reciprocity Bill on the Move in the House
« Reply #28 on: November 30, 2017, 05:32:09 PM »
What will visitors do with their normal capacity magazines here?  or does this bill exempt that part of our 10rd law too?  Would current Hawaii residents, with out of state permits, be exempted from that?
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suka

Re: CCW National Reciprocity Bill on the Move in the House
« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2017, 05:46:28 PM »
Quote from: Heavies on November 30, 2017, 05:32:09 PM
What will visitors do with their normal capacity magazines here?  or does this bill exempt that part of our 10rd law too?  Would current Hawaii residents, with out of state permits, be exempted from that?
no, must comply with State Law.

I carried in several reciprocal state with different magazine laws. its best to stay with 10 rd magazines when traveling. But I strapped 2 additional magazines.

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suka

Re: CCW National Reciprocity Bill on the Move in the House
« Reply #30 on: November 30, 2017, 05:53:13 PM »
Penn is unlimited magazine
Ohio is 30rds.

Thus my 32 round uzi mags were illegal in Ohio and I had to carry 25 rd mags for my UZI pistol.

But I think 75 rounds is good enough as opposed to 96.
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Heavies

Re: CCW National Reciprocity Bill on the Move in the House
« Reply #31 on: November 30, 2017, 05:58:20 PM »
Quote from: suka on November 30, 2017, 05:46:28 PM
no, must comply with State Law.

I carried in several reciprocal state with different magazine laws. its best to stay with 10 rd magazines when traveling. But I strapped 2 additional magazines.


Quote from: suka on November 30, 2017, 05:53:13 PM
Penn is unlimited magazine
Ohio is 30rds.

Thus my 32 round uzi mags were illegal in Ohio and I had to carry 25 rd mags for my UZI pistol.

But I think 75 rounds is good enough as opposed to 96.


Isn't this bill supposed to be designed to iron out all of the sometimes confusing rules and regs with CCW.  otherwise kind of defeats the purpose, if you are caught unaware of the multitude of weird laws some states impose...  What I'm asking is does the bill address this?
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suka

Re: CCW National Reciprocity Bill on the Move in the House
« Reply #32 on: November 30, 2017, 06:09:30 PM »
HB38 still requires the CCW to follow ALL state laws.
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RSN172

Re: CCW National Reciprocity Bill on the Move in the House
« Reply #33 on: November 30, 2017, 06:38:15 PM »
Quote from: Heavies on November 30, 2017, 05:32:09 PM
What will visitors do with their normal capacity magazines here?  or does this bill exempt that part of our 10rd law too?  Would current Hawaii residents, with out of state permits, be exempted from that?
I read the bill and think it mentioned something about magazines.
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macsak

Re: CCW National Reciprocity Bill on the Move in the House
« Reply #34 on: November 30, 2017, 07:03:35 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on November 30, 2017, 10:40:33 AM
What's the process of the bill becoming law?

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Lihikai

Re: CCW National Reciprocity Bill on the Move in the House
« Reply #35 on: November 30, 2017, 07:30:29 PM »
I remember that video - it must be over 40 years old by now.
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Heavies

Re: CCW National Reciprocity Bill on the Move in the House
« Reply #36 on: November 30, 2017, 07:32:25 PM »
Quote from: RSN172 on November 30, 2017, 06:38:15 PM
I read the bill and think it mentioned something about magazines.

Looked through it again. 

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“(2) The term ‘handgun’ includes any magazine for use in a handgun and any ammunition loaded into the handgun or its magazine.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38/text

Does this mean what I think it does? 

Cannot restrict magazines nor types of ammunition?
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mrgaf

Re: Newsletter from GOA: HR:38 Concealed Carry Reciprocity Sent to House Floor!
« Reply #37 on: November 30, 2017, 08:28:02 PM »
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changemyoil66

Re: CCW National Reciprocity Bill on the Move in the House
« Reply #38 on: December 01, 2017, 09:26:31 AM »
Thanks for the vid.  I remember watching it in elementary or middle school.  But they taught it at such a young age, where I didn't care about the topic.  They should have taught this senior year of high school or so.  And a "life lessons" class.  Like how to change a tire, do a resume, taxes, etc...School is worthless at a certain point.
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2ahavvaii

Re: CCW National Reciprocity Bill on the Move in the House
« Reply #39 on: December 01, 2017, 09:55:18 AM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on December 01, 2017, 09:26:31 AM
Thanks for the vid.  I remember watching it in elementary or middle school.  But they taught it at such a young age, where I didn't care about the topic.  They should have taught this senior year of high school or so.  And a "life lessons" class.  Like how to change a tire, do a resume, taxes, etc...School is worthless at a certain point.

I completely agree on that front.  Managing finances, investing, debt, legal rights,  things of that nature are way more important and valuable to someone once they get out of high school than a bunch of liberal arts classes that no one is going to remember or doesn't have any particular value.  They teach a lot of useless crap in school. 

Sad to say, but a lot of kids aren't really "life ready" when they become adults, probably not the schools fault, but still the kids would benefit a great deal from a structured learning environment on these topics.  Can avoid a lot of costly mistakes in their 20s and 30s.  to me, it's amazing that a law class isn't required at the high school level.  As an adult, you are expected to follow the federal, state, local laws, and can be subjected to harsh punishments by not following them.  It is extremely important that people understand their rights in criminal and civil legal situations, and the consequences of being a criminal and how it can affect you for the rest of your life.
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