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macsak

Re: GOP Tax Bill
« Reply #40 on: December 20, 2017, 03:25:29 PM »
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: GOP Tax Bill
« Reply #41 on: December 20, 2017, 03:30:13 PM »
Four more companies are following in AT&T's footsteps, including one raising their minimum wage to $15/hour.

Such greedy, uncaring capitalists!!!!  Why aren't they using those tax savings to buy back their stock??   :rofl:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/24926/american-businesses-announce-bonuses-employees-ryan-saavedra?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=dwbrand
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: GOP Tax Bill
« Reply #42 on: December 20, 2017, 03:50:41 PM »
Just before the vote, Rosie O'Donnell went hog wild and committed not one, but two, federal crimes on Twitter.  Attempting to bribe elected officials is a big no-no!

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Heavies

Re: GOP Tax Bill
« Reply #43 on: December 20, 2017, 04:54:59 PM »
Quote from: ren on December 20, 2017, 03:00:24 PM
Our State Dems should be helping us by lowering our taxes instead of pointing fingers about how this tax plan is going to negatively affect us. Since this caps out local taxes at 10K wouldn't it help us if the State lowered taxes too?

Nope, they'll do the opposite, raise taxes.  Then they will blame it on Trump and the republicans, and the useful idiots will believe it...  Sad but true.  Many people actually think the repulicans just RAISED their taxes!
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ren

Re: GOP Tax Bill
« Reply #44 on: December 20, 2017, 05:19:39 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on December 20, 2017, 03:50:41 PM
Just before the vote, Rosie O'Donnell went hog wild and committed not one, but two, federal crimes on Twitter.  Attempting to bribe elected officials is a big no-no!



if what Rosie did was true - What hypocrites about unfair taxes about the rich - they are rich!
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Inspector

Re: GOP Tax Bill
« Reply #45 on: December 20, 2017, 05:21:24 PM »
Quote from: ren on December 20, 2017, 03:00:24 PM
Our State Dems should be helping us by lowering our taxes instead of pointing fingers about how this tax plan is going to negatively affect us. Since this caps out local taxes at 10K wouldn't it help us if the State lowered taxes too?
Of course it will help! Any tax relief will help us. Which is why this tax reform bill is good for almost everyone. I read the non partisan analysis of the tax reform bill and they stated it will help almost everyone. I itemize and I thought they were going to delete some of my deductions. But it turns out in the final bill that most of the current deductions remain or were changed in some way. I'm not into making predictions, but I can see how this bill could stimulate the economy and put more money in EVERYONE'S hands either directly or indirectly.
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ren

Re: GOP Tax Bill
« Reply #46 on: December 20, 2017, 05:23:21 PM »
and of course - the left media defends Rosie and says it conservatives that blame
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/rosie-o-donnell-faces-backlash-offering-pay-gop-senators-article-1.3710886

"But Rebecca Roiphe, a New York Law School professor, said the word “corruptly” is the strongest one in the rule, which O’Donnell didn’t display in the tweets."

no you idiots its call the fucking law
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RSN172

Re: GOP Tax Bill
« Reply #47 on: December 20, 2017, 05:34:47 PM »
So now that the tax bill is out of tbe way, can Congress get working on a national CCW law please.
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Inspector

Re: GOP Tax Bill
« Reply #48 on: December 20, 2017, 06:07:04 PM »
Quote from: macsak on December 20, 2017, 05:24:12 AM
you didn't answer the question...
Don't bother Mac. I asked a direct question. He will never give us a direct answer.  :sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping:
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hvybarrels

Re: GOP Tax Bill
« Reply #49 on: December 20, 2017, 07:30:14 PM »
It just occurred to me that you might actually not know what I'm talking about.

http://fortune.com/2017/03/10/donald-trump-jobs-report-phony-fake/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/03/10/19-times-trump-called-the-jobs-numbers-fake-before-they-made-him-look-good/?utm_term=.17a2342b0de0


And it's wonderful some companies are giving kickbacks to employees, just like it's wonderful that ISPs haven't throttled the net to hell yet. Doesn't change the overall graveness of the situation. Just means they understand the boiling frog principal requires turning up the heat gradually.

Our manufacturing jobs didn't walk across the border the day after NAFTA was passed. That would be kind of obvious.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: GOP Tax Bill
« Reply #50 on: December 20, 2017, 07:43:39 PM »
Quote from: ren on December 20, 2017, 05:19:39 PM
if what Rosie did was true - What hypocrites about unfair taxes about the rich - they are rich!

There's no "if".  Here's the link to the tweet on her Twitter feed.  I took that snapshot directly from there.

https://twitter.com/Rosie/status/943321322200944641

And, yes, the elite Hollywood idiots always exclude themselves from "the rich" because they have much purer motives than just money.  They're ARTISTS!   :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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bass monkey

Re: GOP Tax Bill
« Reply #51 on: December 20, 2017, 07:50:00 PM »
Since this bill passed,  now is the perfect time to become a small business owner,  entrepreneurial,  MLM, or anything of that sort because of all the tax breaks/ incentives.
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hvybarrels

Re: GOP Tax Bill
« Reply #52 on: December 20, 2017, 07:54:57 PM »
Quote from: bass monkey on December 20, 2017, 07:50:00 PM
Since this bill passed,  now is the perfect time to become a small business owner,  entrepreneurial,  MLM, or anything of that sort because of all the tax breaks/ incentives.

It's good for me right now, no doubt about it. I just don't like it because it's horrible for everyone in the long run.

Talking with non-American friend today and she told me the international press is treating this quite different than our American counterparts who focus on what the tax cuts mean to us individually.

The rest of the world is wondering how we are going to pay our bills, and considering if it makes sense to do business with us any more now that we have checked out of reality.

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London808

Re: GOP Tax Bill
« Reply #53 on: December 20, 2017, 08:10:54 PM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on December 20, 2017, 07:54:57 PM
It's good for me right now, no doubt about it. I just don't like it because it's horrible for everyone in the long run.

Talking with non-American friend today and she told me the international press is treating this quite different than our American counterparts who focus on what the tax cuts mean to us individually.

The rest of the world is wondering how we are going to pay our bills, and considering if it makes sense to do business with us any more now that we have checked out of reality.

Just rember in the UK for example you have a 20% tax rate on income of 11-45k No such thing as a tax return (if your an employee) On top of that you pay VAT (value added tax) which is like a sales tax on everything (some things like cigarettes, fuel, alcohol ect have additional VAT added) of 20%.

That means your paying 40% in taxes. And the country is still ran at a deficit.
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macsak

Re: GOP Tax Bill
« Reply #54 on: December 20, 2017, 08:17:40 PM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on December 20, 2017, 07:54:57 PM
The rest of the world is wondering how we are going to pay our bills, and considering if it makes sense to do business with us any more now that we have checked out of reality.

they are just starting wondering now?
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macsak

Re: GOP Tax Bill
« Reply #55 on: December 20, 2017, 08:18:59 PM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on December 20, 2017, 07:30:14 PM
It just occurred to me that you might actually not know what I'm talking about.

yet it has not occurred to you that you still have not answered the question...
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: GOP Tax Bill
« Reply #56 on: December 20, 2017, 08:21:04 PM »
Quote from: macsak on December 20, 2017, 08:17:40 PM
they are just starting wondering now?

True.  Obama was the first President to ever have our nation's credit rating downgraded -- not only once, but twice.  And that was on top of raising the tax rates for corporations.

When corporations owe more in government taxes, it's the consumers who wind up paying it, right?
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: GOP Tax Bill
« Reply #57 on: December 20, 2017, 09:01:44 PM »
Quote from: macsak on December 20, 2017, 08:18:59 PM
yet it has not occurred to you that you still have not answered the question...

Did you see the links? Candidate Trump was outraged about fake economic data. President Trump enjoys the convenience. Same difference as last administration, except Trump is way more entertaining.
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hvybarrels

Re: GOP Tax Bill
« Reply #58 on: December 20, 2017, 09:07:23 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on December 20, 2017, 08:21:04 PM
True.  Obama was the first President to ever have our nation's credit rating downgraded -- not only once, but twice.  And that was on top of raising the tax rates for corporations.

When corporations owe more in government taxes, it's the consumers who wind up paying it, right?

Corporate taxation was already at historical lows even before this legislation passed. According to boardroom logic we should be living in a paradise already. Instead we have crumbling infrastructure, massive unemployment, lousy education, massive deficits, and a free fall in the standard of living. The news is written by people who are paid to not look out the window and see what's really going on.
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macsak

Re: GOP Tax Bill
« Reply #59 on: December 20, 2017, 09:10:59 PM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on December 20, 2017, 09:01:44 PM
Did you see the links? Candidate Trump was outraged about fake economic data. President Trump enjoys the convenience. Same difference as last administration, except Trump is way more entertaining.

you brought up fake economic data, the question was about your statement about "real economic data"
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