The thing is I'm a fiscal conservative. This is what we sound like.

I get where you are coming from about the media being full of crap. Just watched a couple seconds of The View where the ladies advocated giving Franken the benefit of the doubt while Moore should be dragged out of his house and beaten with sticks. They are so full of it's coming out of their ears, and I'm surprised they haven't blamed the tax cuts on Russia just yet.

Doesn't change the point that this is a terrible policy that sells out future generations and sends our debt back into trillions at a time when the BRICS are creating increasingly attractive alternative currencies and it's obvious from the latest UN embarrassment that we've lost our prestige. From an outsider's perspective investing in or doing business with the United States just got a whole lot riskier.

It's never worked like that before, but I suppose there's a first time for everything.

It's always worked like that.  No society has ever taxed themselves into prosperity.  It's a fact.

Well you could prove me wrong and find a historical example of massive tax cuts that overwhelmingly benefit the wealthy. They are easy to find. Just look up recessions/depressions and work your way back a coupe of years.

And re: Marx just because his utopian model of a worker-owned state reliably cranks out brutal dictatorships doesn't mean his criticisms of unregulated capitalism weren't on point. You should read what he has to say about that some time. What if his ideas have been misrepresented and his name turned into a curse word designed to get you to stop thinking and trigger an angry emotional reaction? I'm sure his quote opposing gun control took most people on this page by surprise.

Name one country that has used Marx's teachings to create a better, more productive society and economy.  Just one.

China

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I find your response amusing considering it is many Chinese nationals, who have acquired their weath from commerical activites based on China's version of a Marxist based economy, who are buying up much of the $1,000,000+ properties here in Hawaii.

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I find your response amusing considering it is many Chinese nationals, who have acquired their weath from commerical activites based on China's version of a Marxist based economy, who are buying up much of the $1,000,000+ properties here in Hawaii.

You should look up Human Rights in China.  While the Centralize economy is doing well for the moment, and they went through a recent period of increasing the standard of living of the majority of workers, That growth rate of 7% is unsustainable.  Addidtionally, there is an average inflation rate of 7%, pretty much eliminating any future standard of living increases.

As for human rights, I have been to China many times and I do not see the police brutality to minorities that I see in the US.  Speaking of the inflation rate, the unending printing of money by the US Federal Reserve, likewise, has and is continuing to deteriorate the purchasing power of US consumers.


Their legal system, civil liberties such as freedom of religion, freedom of the press, freedom of the Internet, freedom of association, freedom of movement, treatment of rural workers, political freedom, executions, torture, and treatment of minorities are all areas that have been lagging behind the economic successes. 

I am not saying I agree how they do things in China, but one should not use their own system to base their criticism of another nation.  Moreover, the US Government has too lax policy of illegal immigration, one of the highest rates of incarcerations of minorities, its own illegal record of torture, and ongoing encroachment of the Bill of Rights.


So, you're right.  China is a good example of a Socialist economy -- it proves my point.  It is like all other Socialist countries where those at the top are sharing in the wealth unequally compared to the workers, while the workers are oppressed with their rights taken away in order to keep the state functioning.

Is what you just described right above been happening to the citizens living in the US, regardless of whatever party was in power for the last few decades?