We need to to do something... (Read 8546 times)

ren

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changemyoil66

Re: We need to to do something...
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2017, 09:54:18 AM »
http://khon2.com/2017/12/04/video-police-seek-sex-assault-suspect-who-allegedly-followed-victim-off-thebus/

perhaps catch the guy?
Issue CCW?

Seems like most people on SSH support CCW, but our law makers don't catch the bus so they assume we are safe and don't need CCW.

zippz

Re: We need to to do something...
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2017, 10:29:38 AM »
It may not mean what you think it means.  Sure it could've turned into something else, but by itself it's not a case where you would shoot someone, but rather promote CCW for peace of mind.

 §707-733 Sexual assault in the fourth degree. (1) A person commits the offense of sexual assault in the fourth degree if:
(a) The person knowingly subjects another person to sexual contact by compulsion or causes another person to have sexual contact with the actor by compulsion;
(b) The person knowingly exposes the person's genitals to another person under circumstances in which the actor's conduct is likely to alarm the other person or put the other person in fear of bodily injury; or
(c) The person knowingly trespasses on property for the purpose of subjecting another person to surreptitious surveillance for the sexual gratification of the actor.

hvybarrels

Re: We need to to do something...
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2017, 10:38:42 AM »
It may not mean what you think it means.  Sure it could've turned into something else, but by itself it's not a case where you would shoot someone, but rather promote CCW for peace of mind.

 §707-733 Sexual assault in the fourth degree. (1) A person commits the offense of sexual assault in the fourth degree if:
(a) The person knowingly subjects another person to sexual contact by compulsion or causes another person to have sexual contact with the actor by compulsion;
(b) The person knowingly exposes the person's genitals to another person under circumstances in which the actor's conduct is likely to alarm the other person or put the other person in fear of bodily injury; or
(c) The person knowingly trespasses on property for the purpose of subjecting another person to surreptitious surveillance for the sexual gratification of the actor.

Definitely grounds for putting a dick in the dirt. During the encounter there's no way to know how far Mr. Rapey is going to take it. It's only after the fact he police can label it with whatever minimum charge they choose to make their statistics look better.
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changemyoil66

Re: We need to to do something...
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2017, 10:42:48 AM »
It's how the woman articulates why she pulled the trigger if we allowed CCW.

bass monkey

Re: We need to to do something...
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2017, 10:44:29 AM »
It may not mean what you think it means.  Sure it could've turned into something else, but by itself it's not a case where you would shoot someone, but rather promote CCW for peace of mind.

 §707-733 Sexual assault in the fourth degree. (1) A person commits the offense of sexual assault in the fourth degree if:
(a) The person knowingly subjects another person to sexual contact by compulsion or causes another person to have sexual contact with the actor by compulsion;
(b) The person knowingly exposes the person's genitals to another person under circumstances in which the actor's conduct is likely to alarm the other person or put the other person in fear of bodily injury; or
(c) The person knowingly trespasses on property for the purpose of subjecting another person to surreptitious surveillance for the sexual gratification of the actor.

I thought the HRS for self defense specifically states Rape.
Rape,  kidnapping,  death,  sodomy

zippz

Re: We need to to do something...
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2017, 10:51:22 AM »
Clarified it.

a = like blackmail for sexual touching "I'll tell everyone you're a slut if you don't let me touch your boobs"
b = flasher
c = peeping tom
« Last Edit: December 05, 2017, 11:06:53 AM by zippz »

2ahavvaii

Re: We need to to do something...
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2017, 10:53:36 AM »
Lol ban loitering at bus stops.  Yes that'll fix those criminals for sure.  They quiver in fear of that potential ticket from the non existent cop while they assault helpless victims

2ahavvaii

Re: We need to to do something...
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2017, 10:54:50 AM »
Seems like most people on SSH support CCW, but our law makers don't catch the bus so they assume we are safe and don't need CCW.

They'll probably make buses gun free zones for everyone s peace of mind

Flapp_Jackson

Re: We need to to do something...
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2017, 11:20:11 AM »
People here calling for CCW so the girl could shoot the guy following her.  My question is, why did she not call the police when she saw him following her?  That's stalking.  She could have called 911 and had a Cop catch him anytime between busses.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: We need to to do something...
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2017, 12:43:44 PM »
Lol ban loitering at bus stops.  Yes that'll fix those criminals for sure.  They quiver in fear of that potential ticket from the non existent cop while they assault helpless victims

Same guys that thought about this idea are the ones who think gun free zones work.  And the ban is only from 10pm-4am or something like that.

oldfart

Re: We need to to do something...
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2017, 01:40:25 PM »
I predict when or if this creep is caught, he will have had prior arrests and the court let him go.
...because his mama said he was a good boy and would never hurt anybody.
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zippz

Re: We need to to do something...
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2017, 01:42:13 PM »
I thought the HRS for self defense specifically states Rape.
Rape,  kidnapping,  death,  sodomy
As the story was written, it was none of these.  Sexual Assault doesn't automatically mean rape.

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Heavies

Re: We need to to do something...
« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2017, 10:52:02 PM »
“Stay away from me! I’m in fear for my life and I will shoot you!”

eyeeatingfish

Re: We need to to do something...
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2017, 08:12:27 AM »
It's how the woman articulates why she pulled the trigger if we allowed CCW.

It would be hard to articulate shooting someone for grabbing a private part on the bus. It isn't just how she feels but whether a reasonable person would think she was in danger of one of the 5 justifiable reasons for deadly force.

ren

Re: We need to to do something...
« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2017, 08:42:55 AM »
“Stay away from me! I’m in fear for my life and I will shoot you!”

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changemyoil66

Re: We need to to do something...
« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2017, 09:00:54 AM »
It would be hard to articulate shooting someone for grabbing a private part on the bus. It isn't just how she feels but whether a reasonable person would think she was in danger of one of the 5 justifiable reasons for deadly force.

In this situation, he followed her off the bus, waiting while she was at the shopping center, called mall security,  then got back on the bus with her.  So had she gotten off at the stop nearest to her home, that's when the articulation would come into play.

But the main point, is that she wouldn't have to be as afraid because she would have the best tool to defend herself if needed.

zippz

Re: We need to to do something...
« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2017, 09:44:46 AM »
In this situation presenting pepper spray would be the better option, with a CCW as a backup.  Of course calling 911 or alerting security guards at the mall would've been an even better option.

ren

Re: We need to to do something...
« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2017, 08:02:21 AM »
In this situation presenting pepper spray would be the better option, with a CCW as a backup.  Of course calling 911 or alerting security guards at the mall would've been an even better option.
Pepper spray is also regulated.
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RSN172

Re: We need to to do something...
« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2017, 08:36:08 AM »
Get a big service dog.  They are allowed everywhere.
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