Ballistic missile Alert (Read 139531 times)

rpoL98

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #60 on: January 13, 2018, 01:12:55 PM »
I just watched Ige's press conference.  I didn't hear a single word about the human (it was human error) who committed the error being held accountable.  all I heard about was process, more process, which translates into bureaucracy, obfuscation, etc.

that's our elected leadership:  no accountability.

very simple:  the clown who pushed the button in error needs to be removed from that position, and I don't mean him/her being "promoted out of the job".  optimistically, the responsible human should be fired, but this is Hawaii and govt civil service, firing is perhaps a "bridge too far".

this happened at shift change?  are they saying the clown pushed the button, and then went home?  WTF!  he probably thought it was funny.  maybe it was his last day at work before retirement?

investigation? hell no, they need to make a movie about this.  not sure if it's a comedy, or a tragedy because of the seriousness of the repercussions.  but, realistically, there will probably be a cover-up that equals the Las Vegas shooter secrecy.

I knew it wasn't a real alert, Kim Jong Un isn't ready to send a nuke missile to Hawaii just yet, doesn't have the technology down.  maybe in 3-5 years, but not today.  so if it was real, it would've been somebody' else's nuke missile, and the main candidates who are capable would be Russia or China.  and it would be submarine launched.

Putin wouldn't do that, he's BFF with our President, thank goodness.  now, the Chinese, hmm, they are rushing to prove armed world power status.  especially with all the ruckus in the South China Sea.  a rogue general/admiral pissed off at the central communist party, he didn't get his membership card with Exalted Status?

My bet would be, that if there was indeed a real nuke missile inbound for Hawaii, it probably says "Made In China".  and if you live on Oahu, don't bother doing anything, unless you're calling your financial mgr to tell him to transfer everything to your ex-wife (whom you can't stand) who now lives in Wisconsin (or something like that).

if you've been to the nuclear bomb memorial in Japan, you know, for us, it's Game Over.  the unlucky ones are the ones that survive.  sad but true.

nuff said, for now.

« Last Edit: January 13, 2018, 01:18:51 PM by rpoL98 »

Kuleana

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #61 on: January 13, 2018, 01:42:22 PM »
The government wouldn't warn us if there were only a matter of mins before a strike

That is where the real issue lies.

Today, everyone in Hawaii is really lucky that it was a false alarm for whatever reason.  Next time, it may be the real thing.  The issue is not about improving the missile defence or civilian alert systems or trying to get Hawaii to increase its emergency food reserves.

The real issue people living in Hawaii and more so on Oahu should be starting to think about is the question of whether having so many military assets in Hawaii, particularly on Oahu is really a great idea.  Unless you have access to the underground or in-mountain bunkers the military possesses, no amount of preps or survival gear will matter in the case of a nuclear strike resulting in HECO going down, radiation contamination of our soils and water supply, shipping companies not wanting to risk coming to Hawaii in the aftermath, and your own neighbors who will be ready to kill you for all of your preps, since they did not make the efforts to prepare for themselves.

The elderly, disabled, prescription/dialysis dependent, illegal drug user, and every other man, woman, and child living in Hawaii will always live in fear of as well as surviving a nuclear attack, unless the US military makes the right decision of relocating its assets to some other island location.  If they can find the money to pay for the every increasing budget of the rail for the next 10+ years, no one can say they can not find the money to keep its populace out of harm's way.


And for FEMA, forget about them...

drck1000

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #62 on: January 13, 2018, 01:45:48 PM »

the unlucky ones are the ones that survive.  sad but true.

nuff said, for now.
That’s my general feeling. If the day ever comes where Oahu is attacked, it’s those left trying to make it through the aftermath who are in for the nightmare.

ren

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #63 on: January 13, 2018, 01:49:29 PM »
That is where the real issue lies.

Today, everyone in Hawaii is really lucky that it was a false alarm for whatever reason.  Next time, it may be the real thing.  The issue is not about improving the missile defence or civilian alert systems or trying to get Hawaii to increase its emergency food reserves.

The real issue people living in Hawaii and more so on Oahu should be starting to think about is the question of whether having so many military assets in Hawaii, particularly on Oahu is really a great idea.  Unless you have access to the underground or in-mountain bunkers the military possesses, no amount of preps or survival gear will matter in the case of a nuclear strike resulting in HECO going down, radiation contamination of our soils and water supply, shipping companies not wanting to risk coming to Hawaii in the aftermath, and your own neighbors who will be ready to kill you for all of your preps, since they did not make the efforts to prepare for themselves.

The elderly, disabled, prescription/dialysis dependent, illegal drug user, and every other man, woman, and child living in Hawaii will always live in fear of as well as surviving a nuclear attack, unless the US military makes the right decision of relocating its assets to some other island location.  If they can find the money to pay for the every increasing budget of the rail for the next 10+ years, no one can say they can not find the money to keep its populace out of harm's way.


And for FEMA, forget about them...

so after removing the military who provides us with early warning, how would Hawaii detect a missile launch?
Deeds Not Words

drck1000

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #64 on: January 13, 2018, 01:52:11 PM »
That is where the real issue lies.

Today, everyone in Hawaii is really lucky that it was a false alarm for whatever reason.  Next time, it may be the real thing.  The issue is not about improving the missile defence or civilian alert systems or trying to get Hawaii to increase its emergency food reserves.

The real issue people living in Hawaii and more so on Oahu should be starting to think about is the question of whether having so many military assets in Hawaii, particularly on Oahu is really a great idea.  Unless you have access to the underground or in-mountain bunkers the military possesses, no amount of preps or survival gear will matter in the case of a nuclear strike resulting in HECO going down, radiation contamination of our soils and water supply, shipping companies not wanting to risk coming to Hawaii in the aftermath, and your own neighbors who will be ready to kill you for all of your preps, since they did not make the efforts to prepare for themselves.

The elderly, disabled, prescription/dialysis dependent, illegal drug user, and every other man, woman, and child living in Hawaii will always live in fear of as well as surviving a nuclear attack, unless the US military makes the right decision of relocating its assets to some other island location.  If they can find the money to pay for the every increasing budget of the rail for the next 10+ years, no one can say they can not find the money to keep its populace out of harm's way.


And for FEMA, forget about them...
You’ve preached on the whole “military shouldn’t be on Oahu” deal many times. What would you propose the people who don’t think the military belongs on Oahu do about it? Ask the military to abandon Oahu installations? Never gonna happen. Ask the military to build bases on other islands in the Pacific? Sure thing. Seeing the clusterf*#k that is going on with the development of a new installation for USMC on Guam, building installations for replace those one Oahu will never happen in my lifetime.

It’s loke asking people to consider if they don’t like the high cost of living in Hawaii.

Kuleana

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #65 on: January 13, 2018, 02:08:43 PM »
so after removing the military who provides us with early warning, how would Hawaii detect a missile launch?

You are basing your statement on the belief that Hawaii would remain a target for nuclear weapons if there was no US military assets on its soil.  Although any city is subject to attack in the case of nuclear war, nation states in the 21st century do not waste their hi-cost strategic weaponry on non-military objectives.  Hawaii will always be a prime military objective due to the amount of military assets it possesses.  You don't see American Samoa or Puerto Rico living under threat of nuclear missile attack like Hawaii.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #66 on: January 13, 2018, 02:09:32 PM »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #67 on: January 13, 2018, 02:16:01 PM »
You are basing your statement on the belief that Hawaii would remain a target for nuclear weapons if there was no US military assets on its soil.  Although any city is subject to attack in the case of nuclear war, nation states in the 21st century do not waste their hi-cost strategic weaponry on non-military objectives.  Hawaii will always be a prime military objective due to the amount of military assets it possesses.  You don't see American Samoa or Puerto Rico living under threat of nuclear missile attack like Hawaii.

What are you basing your presumption that Hawaii, sans military assets will not be a target?
What doctrine or strategy dictates that?
Deeds Not Words

Kuleana

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #68 on: January 13, 2018, 02:16:07 PM »
You’ve preached on the whole “military shouldn’t be on Oahu” deal many times. What would you propose the people who don’t think the military belongs on Oahu do about it? Ask the military to abandon Oahu installations? Never gonna happen. Ask the military to build bases on other islands in the Pacific? Sure thing. Seeing the clusterf*#k that is going on with the development of a new installation for USMC on Guam, building installations for replace those one Oahu will never happen in my lifetime.

If the US military has and continues to build strategic overseas bases that we know and those that that the American people do not know about as we speak, which we can infer that they have money to do so; why is it so hard for you to entertain or welcome the possibility of relocating military assets off Oahu?  Don't you want yourself and the residents in Hawaii to not live in perpetual fear of nuclear war?

What I rhetorically ask is not anti-military, it is pro-life for all living in Hawaii.  And today was our wake-up call.

ren

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #69 on: January 13, 2018, 02:20:49 PM »
If the US military has and continues to build strategic overseas bases that we know and those that that the American people do not know about as we speak, which we can infer that they have money to do so; why is it so hard for you to entertain or welcome the possibility of relocating military assets off Oahu?  Don't you want yourself and the residents in Hawaii to not live in perpetual fear of nuclear war?

What I rhetorically ask is not anti-military, it is pro-life for all living in Hawaii.  And today was our wake-up call.


Your argument of being safe relies on the presumption that Hawaii presents itself as a target solely because of its military presence.
How do you know how North Korea or any other nuclear capable country chooses its targets? What's their targeting processes? How are targets weighed and prioritized?
Deeds Not Words

Kuleana

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #70 on: January 13, 2018, 02:25:19 PM »
What are you basing your presumption that Hawaii, sans military assets will not be a target?
What doctrine or strategy dictates that?

I base my statement not on a stated military doctrine, but on basic economic common sense.  Like I said in my previous response to your post, America Samoa and Puerto Rico are US possessions.  Although they may have some military presence there, it does not compare to the military presence in Hawaii.  Hence, a country will not waste its nuclear arsenal on targets with very little military significance like in the case of American Samoa or Puerto Rico.

Kuleana

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #71 on: January 13, 2018, 02:28:09 PM »
Your argument of being safe relies on the presumption that Hawaii presents itself as a target solely because of its military presence.
How do you know how North Korea or any other nuclear capable country chooses its targets? What's their targeting processes? How are targets weighed and prioritized?


Unless the DPRK wants to bomb our golf courses, GMO agriculture fields, or overpriced Ward condos, I don't think there is anything the DPRK would want to waste their limited nuclear missiles on, except for Hawaii's military assets.

ren

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #72 on: January 13, 2018, 02:28:23 PM »

I base my statement not on a stated military doctrine, but on basic economic common sense.  Like I said in my previous response to your post, America Samoa and Puerto Rico are US possessions.  Although they may have some military presence there, it does not compare to the military presence in Hawaii.  Hence, a country will not waste its nuclear arsenal on targets with very little military significance like in the case of American Samoa or Puerto Rico.

Explain this economic theory you have because the nuclear strike capability lies within a nations' military apparatus.
Unless you have or had access to a nations' decision making processes you have no clue what their targets are.
Deeds Not Words

ren

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #73 on: January 13, 2018, 02:29:56 PM »

Unless the DPRK wants to bomb our golf courses, GMO agriculture fields, or overpriced Ward condos, I don't think there is anything the DPRK would want to waste their limited nuclear missiles on, except for Hawaii's military assets.

are you stating this with explicit knowledge from the DPRK?

How do you know if Hawaii isn't a target as we speak? even with its military presence?
Deeds Not Words

drck1000

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #74 on: January 13, 2018, 02:30:48 PM »
If the US military has and continues to build strategic overseas bases that we know and those that that the American people do not know about as we speak, which we can infer that they have money to do so; why is it so hard for you to entertain or welcome the possibility of relocating military assets off Oahu?  Don't you want yourself and the residents in Hawaii to not live in perpetual fear of nuclear war?

What I rhetorically ask is not anti-military, it is pro-life for all living in Hawaii.  And today was our wake-up call.

I get what’s you’re saying. No, of course I’d rather not my family or other residents if Hawaii not live in fear or nuclear war. Personally, I don’t think about the prospects of nuclear war much.

Anyone can entertain thoughts of whatever floats their boat. I’m just saying complete relocation is military assets from Hawaii is not realistic. IMO, Hawaii also needs and benefits from the presence of the US military. They contribute to the economy in many ways through employment, the money spent by service members and families, construction dollars, etc. I would bring up what Okinawa is going through in their push to relocate the USMC to Guam, but not quite apples and apples.

I’m not saying you’re anti-military. Just you seem to be of the opinion that relocation of then military from Hawaii is even remotely possible. Ok, I guess it could happen, but not in my lifetime.

mrgaf

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #75 on: January 13, 2018, 02:31:56 PM »
I can only imagine how this investigation is going to be handled.
There will be a request for Federal money.
We'll spend that money on "local" investigators (mainland firms)
We''ll conclude that it was Trump's fault.
No one will be fired.
And they will be promoted!
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

Only good liberal is one taking a dirt nap.

ren

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #76 on: January 13, 2018, 02:33:08 PM »
Bottom line is that no one knows what targets a nuclear capable state has.
We can give up military protection and HOPE that they don't target us.
Deeds Not Words

mrgaf

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #77 on: January 13, 2018, 02:33:49 PM »
So far, this is the "Dumbest Tweet of the Day: Celebrity Edition" -==>>


Someone shud shove that turd back into the ass she was pushed out of at birth!
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

Only good liberal is one taking a dirt nap.

ren

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #78 on: January 13, 2018, 02:35:49 PM »

overpriced Ward condos

Why would the Chinese let the NKs destroy some of their real estate assets?
Deeds Not Words

ren

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #79 on: January 13, 2018, 02:36:55 PM »
And they will be promoted!
Govs race is soon....
Deeds Not Words