No. However, I am against paying for the thousands millons that sit on their ass, doing nothing, at my expense.

Fixed it for you. 

Remember the underclass gets paid for increasing their numbers. 

Whining about the sort of jobs they might qualify for and not want  is a non sequitur.  The inability to do more than the most menial manual labor is part of the problem, and that appears to be cultural and genetic.

The problem with "let them eat cake" arguments is that the supposed originator of the phrase ended up getting publicly decapitated by an angry mob.

I'm sure there were members of the French aristocracy who pooh poohed the problems of the peasants as the result of cultural weakness.

They were repaid for their compassionate insights with an equally compassionate high speed haircut real close to the shoulders.

The problem with "let them eat cake" arguments is that the supposed originator of the phrase ended up getting publicly decapitated by an angry mob.

I'm sure there were members of the French aristocracy who pooh poohed the problems of the peasants as the result of cultural weakness.

They were repaid for their compassionate insights with an equally compassionate high speed haircut real close to the shoulders.

The standard of living for the poor is higher in the US than any other country.

Equating our situation with the oppressed masses in late 1700s France is ridiculous. 

Of course, most of the analogies and comparisons you come up with are ridiculous.  Par for the course....

You should go to a homeless camp and tell them all to be happy because they are lucky they aren't in India and see what kind of reception you get.

The United States has dropped from superpower status into a developing nation with the world's most expensive military. You just happen to live in one of the places where it's still possible to pretend like everything is okay.

It would be a good idea to psychologically prepare yourself for when Trump fails to bring home the MAGA. The greatness is gone and now it's a matter of managing the decline with some degree of dignity.

You should go to a homeless camp and tell them all to be happy because they are lucky they aren't in India and see what kind of reception you get.

The United States has dropped from superpower status into a developing nation with the world's most expensive military. You just happen to live in one of the places where it's still possible to pretend like everything is okay.

It would be a good idea to psychologically prepare yourself for when Trump fails to bring home the MAGA. The greatness is gone and now it's a matter of managing the decline with some degree of dignity.

Those Hawaii homeless are in that situation specifically because they live in a Socialst-Democrat-Progressive-controlled state which rewards the "leadership" and government teet-suckers with high tax-funded salaries and pensions.

You can't blame the federal government when they pour tons of money into this economy via the "evil" military programs homed here.  In fact, if you look at the stats, HI is one of the most federal-tax-dollar "rich" states in the US.

How much the federal government spends per person in each state
compared with the amount its citizens pay in federal income taxes

Those homeless are there because military housing subsidies, military bases taking up space that could be used for housing, along with a speculative real estate bubble pushed the prices so artificially high that some people can't afford a roof at all. Others are struggling and paying half our more of their income for housing costs trying desperately to not get kicked out on the street.

And you never bothered to ask how much of that pork is military-related spending like building the H-3.

This is Inouye's legacy. A state addicted to tourism and military welfare. It's great when times are good but without an independent economic engine we are in serious pain when there are cutbacks.

Those homeless are there because military housing subsidies, military bases taking up space that could be used for housing, along with a speculative real estate bubble pushed the prices so artificially high that some people can't afford a roof at all. Others are struggling and paying half our more of their income for housing costs trying desperately to not get kicked out on the street.

And you never bothered to ask how much of that pork is military-related spending like building the H-3.

This is Inouye's legacy. A state addicted to tourism and military welfare. It's great when times are good but without an independent economic engine we are in serious pain when there are cutbacks.

I see some validity in terms of military service members with cost of living subsidies like BAH. I'd like to see s study that shows a relationship between that and cost of living.

I see some validity in terms of military service members with cost of living subsidies like BAH. I'd like to see s study that shows a relationship between that and cost of living.

Military housing allowances are based on the market, not the other way around.  When I first moved here in 1993, the housing market was on a downward trend.  Even with all the Japanese money coming in to jack up prices, my rent went down from $1875/month to $1100/month from 1993 to 2001.  That's a 3 BR 2 BA single family home in Mililani.

During that time, the military wasn't leaving town.  It wasn't until after 9/11 that the deployments created a mass exodus of military and their families.  More military were renting storage units than homes.  Yet, after 2001, the housing market exploded.  People's home values jumped 100% in 4 years.  I bought this house in 2001 at $383K, and in 4 years, my house was listed for taxes at $860K.

So, blame the military, but that's not what drives up prices.  It's one factor for rents, but not property values.  Enlisted moving here for 3 year tours are not about to try and buy a $250K+ home they may have to sell or rent out when they leave.

This is Inouye's legacy. A state addicted to tourism and military welfare. It's great when times are good but without an independent economic engine we are in serious pain when there are cutbacks.

You are absolutely correct on the very narrow economic paradigm that describes the thinking of most local politicians in power since Inouye.  It does not take a genius to figure out that the tourism and military economic model is not only unsustainable, but very deadly given being a nuclear target due to the number of unnecessary military assets located here.

Hawaii needs to begin reinventing itself economically and begin to think of other uses of its real estate other than being an island-wide military base.

Military housing allowances are based on the market, not the other way around.  When I first moved here in 1993, the housing market was on a downward trend.  Even with all the Japanese money coming in to jack up prices, my rent went down from $1875/month to $1100/month from 1993 to 2001.  That's a 3 BR 2 BA single family home in Mililani.

During that time, the military wasn't leaving town.  It wasn't until after 9/11 that the deployments created a mass exodus of military and their families.  More military were renting storage units than homes.  Yet, after 2001, the housing market exploded.  People's home values jumped 100% in 4 years.  I bought this house in 2001 at $383K, and in 4 years, my house was listed for taxes at $860K.

So, blame the military, but that's not what drives up prices.  It's one factor for rents, but not property values.  Enlisted moving here for 3 year tours are not about to try and buy a $250K+ home they may have to sell or rent out when they leave.

those are good points

Hawaii needs to begin reinventing itself economically and begin to think of other uses of its real estate other than being an island-wide military base.

Haha Fort Oahu, Fort Maui, Fort Big Island 

Haha Fort Oahu, Fort Maui, Fort Big Island 

No I meant the following:

Oahu
Marine Corps: Marine Corps Base Hawaii (Kaneohe Bay), Camp H. M. Smith and Pu’uloa Range Training Facility

Army: Fort Shafter, Schofield Barracks, Wheeler Army Airfield (formerly Wheeler Air Force Base) and Tripler Medical Center

Navy: Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam, NCTAMS PAC, Naval Magazine Lualualei

Air Force: Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam, Bellows Air Force Station

Coast Guard: USCG ISC Honolulu, USCG Air Station Barbers Point


Kauai
Navy: Pacific Missile Range Facility at Barking Sands


Maui
Coast Guard: USCG Station Maui


Big Island
Army: Pohakuloa Training Area, Bradshaw Army Airfield

Joint Services: Kilauea Military Camp


Not counting anything underground or in any of Hawaii's mountain ranges, is there another installation I missed?

No I meant the following:

Oahu
Marine Corps: Marine Corps Base Hawaii (Kaneohe Bay), Camp H. M. Smith and Pu’uloa Range Training Facility

Army: Fort Shafter, Schofield Barracks, Wheeler Army Airfield (formerly Wheeler Air Force Base) and Tripler Medical Center

Navy: Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam, NCTAMS PAC, Naval Magazine Lualualei

Air Force: Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam, Bellows Air Force Station

Coast Guard: USCG ISC Honolulu, USCG Air Station Barbers Point


Kauai
Navy: Pacific Missile Range Facility at Barking Sands


Maui
Coast Guard: USCG Station Maui


Big Island
Army: Pohakuloa Training Area, Bradshaw Army Airfield

Joint Services: Kilauea Military Camp


Not counting anything underground or in any of Hawaii's mountain ranges, is there another installation I missed?

you forgot the underground ICBM batteries

you forgot the underground ICBM batteries

Those go without saying -- everyone who's lived here knows about them.

No I meant the following:


Maui
Coast Guard: USCG Station Maui


Big Island
Army: Pohakuloa Training Area, Bradshaw Army Airfield

Joint Services: Kilauea Military Camp

How dare the island of Maui have a CG station to support lifesaving efforts.  Nuke them!

And that horrible Big island, having the nerve to use vast acreage of wasteland to train troops how to stay alive were are sent into battle.  Do not bother nuking  Pohakuloa, nothing there.

And, a vacation camp for the hated military!  Now, that is truly an evil military installation worthy of destruction by the NORKS.

you forgot the underground ICBM batteries

Are they lithium?

Are they lithium?

Unfortunately no. And they require near constant expensive maintenance to keep them from turning into piles of junk. Big T got his tax cut and is kicking off a new arms race. Last time we had a tv/movie president we got Star Wars. Makes you wonder what kind of shit sandwich the war profiteer pigs are cooking up for us now.

Last time we had a tv/movie president we got Star Wars

And now liberals are screeching why Hawaii does not have missile defense. 

Someone should tell them how Hussein gutted SDI research, but the media will stay silent.

Unfortunately no. And they require near constant expensive maintenance to keep them from turning into piles of junk. Big T got his tax cut and is kicking off a new arms race. Last time we had a tv/movie president we got Star Wars. Makes you wonder what kind of shit sandwich the war profiteer pigs are cooking up for us now.

I'm surprised someone like you with his finger on the pulse of industrial military complex doesn't know this.

The US is planning to deploy low yield nuclear missiles aboard subs capable of taking out large armored naval vessels and other hardened targets without causing the devastation of larger nuclear warheads. 

How did you not know that?  I figured you knew everything about the US military and our bloated, tax-funded boondoggles.   

This is a direct result of the Obama crime syndicate selling Russia 20% of our Uranium reserves.  Don't bash Trump.  Obama and Clinton did that deal.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-nuclear-russia-military/with-an-eye-on-russia-u-s-to-increase-nuclear-capabilities-idUSKBN1FM2J0

We need a crappy relationship with Russia and China to justify more war junk that doesn't work. Every president understands that their campaign finance depends on it.