FISA and “the memo” (Read 6164 times)

drck1000

FISA and “the memo”
« on: February 01, 2018, 08:06:51 AM »
Gen. Michael Hayden, former director of the CIA was on NPR this morning. He was saying how the release of the memo would be damaging in many ways. One thing he mentioned that caught my attention was that the FISA process/system was/is meant to keep that stuff out of politics and that those looking to release the memo are making it political. Well, if the system was indeed misused at is seems like the memo shows (who knows what it actually says at this point), it made it political and those who (allegedly) abused the system made it political. So by getting to the bottom of the allegations of abuse, it’s gojng to be political.

Yes, I can see how the release of the memo might reveal things that is sensitive. However, if there were abuses, corruption, etc, it needs to come out and not allowed to be swept under the rug or lost in midst of another scandal or event.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: FISA and “the memo”
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2018, 09:30:27 AM »
We have much more to fear from a politically weaponized FBI and DOJ than we have to lose from The Memo's release.  We must have accountability at the highest levels of government which can only be attained if the people are informed.

Classified information may be involved, but we can't use that to protect bad actors.  We can survive the public release of formerly classified information.  We've done it many times -- WikiLeaks?

Release The Memo.   :thumbsup:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: FISA and “the memo”
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2018, 09:38:34 AM »
False flag didn't work yesterday with the train.  Memo still on the way.

Surf

Re: FISA and “the memo”
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2018, 11:20:51 AM »
I would be surprised to see any CIA official current or ex, to want to maintain the FISA system at all costs.  FISA warrants are almost ALWAYS granted.  If the FISA system has been abused, then the FISA warrant system and its status in regards to confidentiality in that particular instance should not necessarily be retained, but not necessarily needing to be aired in a public court of opinion. 

Abuse could include, but not be limited to, falsely swearing to facts to obtain the FISA warrant, or attempting to twist the use of the FISA warrant/investigation as an excuse to commit illegal acts, or criminal offenses, as perhaps in the allegations of political weaponization in this instance. 

If this is the case, and there is enough evidence to prompt further investigation, then a special prosecutor should be assigned to investigate the claims and the entire scope of wherever the investigation leads are fair game.

robtmc

Re: FISA and “the memo”
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2018, 11:37:59 AM »
We have much more to fear from a politically weaponized FBI and DOJ than we have to lose from The Memo's release.  We must have accountability at the highest levels of government which can only be attained if the people are informed.
Did not seems to affect the IRS when Obunga's use of it as a political weapon was exposed.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: FISA and “the memo”
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2018, 01:31:24 PM »
Did not seems to affect the IRS when Obunga's use of it as a political weapon was exposed.

There was no evidence, as the IRS director's hard drive "crashed", and the back-up were "unavailable".  Only about a year later did the new director come back and say the back-ups were "found."

In the meantime, the Presidential election took everyone's attention from that crime, and Learner was living large on her tax-payer-funded pension.

Now that Lynch isn't the AG, I was hoping for some closure on these and other abuses of power.  It's tough when people are "losing" text messages and deleting 33K (or more?) emails and the backups.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

drck1000

Re: FISA and “the memo”
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2018, 09:17:18 PM »
I just hope we are able to get info in an unbiased way. No spin, no angles, just the facts. I doubt the public ever will, but I’m just tired of all the crap that’s going on with things seemingly always being swept under the rug.

rklapp

Re: FISA and “the memo”
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2018, 11:38:44 PM »
Colbert: Spotted at the Post Office. Wanted by the FBI... the FBI.
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eyeeatingfish

Re: FISA and “the memo”
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2018, 03:34:42 AM »
I just hope that the memo isn't being released as a political attack. It needs to be released because it is good for America, not good for Republicans or Democrats.

In the end we will just have to see what it says when it is released and make a judgement then.

drck1000

Re: FISA and “the memo”
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2018, 07:41:08 AM »
Memo was released this morning.

drck1000

Re: FISA and “the memo”
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2018, 07:43:54 AM »
I just hope that the memo isn't being released as a political attack. It needs to be released because it is good for America, not good for Republicans or Democrats.

In the end we will just have to see what it says when it is released and make a judgement then.
Apparently the Dems had (or still gave) the opportunity to prepare their own memo on the matter. They had members on the committee. Why not have an opportunity to get to the bottom of things if there are at least evidence of misconduct?  It’s going to be political no matter what since those whole thing was a political attack to begin with.

drck1000

Re: FISA and “the memo”
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2018, 07:49:01 AM »
NPR had a former Rep (I think) and FBI employee or former employee on this morning. He said that the House Intelligence Committee, which has oversight over the intelligence agencies of the US needs to EARN credibility with the intelligence community. Otherwise the intelligence community won’t be fully truthful. They won’t necessarily lie, but they won’t fully disclose.

My first reaction was that if the committee has oversight, you have no choice. But then if the committee then goes and misuses the oversight process that can be just as bad as the initial abuse. I’m not saying that happened, but I could see his point. In any case, if the committee found evidence of abuse, misconduct, corruption, all the memo needs to say is that it found evidence and that classified level investigation will be done. The result of which will be made public after the investigation has been completed.

rklapp

Re: FISA and “the memo”
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2018, 08:57:14 AM »
My understanding is that Rosenstein made an agreement with Ryan and Kelly that Nunez can view the documents (but can't have them because of potentially classified information) with a verbal agreement that the information can't become public without a classification review, so Nunez wrote a four page summary memo of his opinion on the contents. Maybe there's classified info, maybe there's not. Normally, a separate committee makes the determination, but it sounds like Nunez doesn't trust the people who are watching the people, and he's leaving it up to the President to decide what is classified or not (with a few grammatical changes here and there). I'm as curious about what's in the memo as the next. The likely outcome of this is that Rosenstein won't trust the Congressional committee again and will fight releasing potentially classified material to the SCOTUS based on past actions.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: FISA and “the memo”
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2018, 12:04:35 PM »
My understanding is that Rosenstein made an agreement with Ryan and Kelly that Nunez can view the documents (but can't have them because of potentially classified information) with a verbal agreement that the information can't become public without a classification review, so Nunez wrote a four page summary memo of his opinion on the contents. Maybe there's classified info, maybe there's not. Normally, a separate committee makes the determination, but it sounds like Nunez doesn't trust the people who are watching the people, and he's leaving it up to the President to decide what is classified or not (with a few grammatical changes here and there). I'm as curious about what's in the memo as the next. The likely outcome of this is that Rosenstein won't trust the Congressional committee again and will fight releasing potentially classified material to the SCOTUS based on past actions.

You ignore the obvious alternative:  Rosenstein won't be around, so who he trusts won't matter.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Inspector

Re: FISA and “the memo”
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2018, 06:11:41 PM »
Looks like Comey is in big trouble now....
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

rklapp

Re: FISA and “the memo”
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2018, 12:01:32 AM »
You ignore the obvious alternative:  Rosenstein won't be around, so who he trusts won't matter.
Insert with Rachel Brand. Probably same result.
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