OPPOSE: HB2228 (Firearms Voluntary Surrender) (Read 14343 times)

Jl808

OPPOSE: HB2228 (Firearms Voluntary Surrender)
« on: February 07, 2018, 04:10:08 AM »
H 2/5/2018: Bill scheduled to be heard by PBS on Thursday, 02-08-18 10:00AM in House conference room 312.
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2018/bills/HB2228_.pdf   
HB2228   Firearms; Safety; Voluntary Surrender   
RELATING TO PUBLIC SAFETY.   Requires individuals who are disqualified from firearms and ammunition ownership or possession to voluntarily surrender their firearms to the chief of police within twenty-four hours of notice of disqualification.   
Oppose.   TAKAYAMA, CREAGAN, DECOITE, GATES, LOPRESTI   PBS, JUD
Testify here -> http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=2228

« Last Edit: February 09, 2018, 10:48:21 AM by Jl808 »
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oldfart

Re: FIRE MISSION: Oppose HB2228 (Firearms Surrender) - TESTIFY BEFORE 2/7 10am
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2018, 05:10:30 AM »
Done....

Come on folks, step it up.
To me, I see this as a 5th amendment violation.
They are asking you to voluntarily punish yourself.
Even if you didn't do anything wrong.
What, Me Worry?

macsak

Re: FIRE MISSION: Oppose HB2228 (Firearms Surrender) - TESTIFY BEFORE 2/7 10am
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2018, 05:30:50 AM »
testimony posted after 10am will be accepted, but marked LATE

Lihikai

Re: FIRE MISSION: Oppose HB2228 (Firearms Surrender) - TESTIFY BEFORE 2/7 10am
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2018, 05:47:15 AM »
Done

punaperson

Re: FIRE MISSION: Oppose HB2228 (Firearms Surrender) - TESTIFY BEFORE 2/7 10am
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2018, 06:05:57 AM »
Under this bill you would still be "allowed" to lawfully "dispose" of your firearms and ammunition after notification, rather than immediate seizure by cops. They just want to change your time period for doing so from 30 days to 24 hours. That's what they consider "reasonable". What a joke. Why not just eliminate the "dispose" clause altogether and make it immediate seizure upon notification? Since they are virtually eliminating due process, why not actually eliminate it? I mean, that's what they really want to do anyway...  :wtf:

rklapp

Re: FIRE MISSION: Oppose HB2228 (Firearms Surrender) - TESTIFY BEFORE 2/7 10am
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2018, 07:13:09 AM »
Done
Yahh! Freedom and justice shall always prevail over tyranny, Babysitter Girl!
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zippz

Re: FIRE MISSION: Oppose HB2228 (Firearms Surrender) - TESTIFY BEFORE 2/7 10am
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2018, 07:41:03 AM »
Points I brought up is
Inability to transfer to another person
Difficulty in transferring to ffl
No time to dispute an erroneous disqualification
Undue hardship getting guns back
Pds will not take care of the firearms.

robtmc

Re: FIRE MISSION: Oppose HB2228 (Firearms Surrender) - TESTIFY BEFORE 2/7 10am
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2018, 08:41:31 AM »
Done, before morning coffee, yet.  Hope I sounded partly intelligent.

changemyoil66

Re: FIRE MISSION: Oppose HB2228 (Firearms Surrender) - TESTIFY BEFORE 2/7 10am
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2018, 08:43:34 AM »
Done,

Do all bills come up this fast?  Or just 2a bills?

macsak

Re: FIRE MISSION: Oppose HB2228 (Firearms Surrender) - TESTIFY BEFORE 2/7 10am
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2018, 08:51:54 AM »
Done,

Do all bills come up this fast?  Or just 2a bills?

it varies

changemyoil66

Re: FIRE MISSION: Oppose HB2228 (Firearms Surrender) - TESTIFY BEFORE 2/7 10am
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2018, 08:59:37 AM »
Done, before morning coffee, yet.  Hope I sounded partly intelligent.

If it were done after the cup of joe, then your testimony would be: I oppose this gun bill because..oh look, squirrel.

Tom_G

Re: FIRE MISSION: Oppose HB2228 (Firearms Surrender) - TESTIFY BEFORE 2/7 10am
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2018, 09:17:29 AM »
"Oppose"
Click

The difference between theory and reality is that, in theory, there is no difference between theory and reality.

drck1000

Re: FIRE MISSION: Oppose HB2228 (Firearms Surrender) - TESTIFY BEFORE 2/7 10am
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2018, 09:25:22 AM »
Done

2ahavvaii

Re: FIRE MISSION: Oppose HB2228 (Firearms Surrender) - TESTIFY BEFORE 2/7 10am
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2018, 09:27:17 AM »
My testimony, sorry dont have much time to craft something better.


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I oppose HB2228, and submit that the law currently in place is reasonable and sufficient to ensure that firearms aren't in the hands of people who should not possess them.

This bill is a direct violation of 5th amendment rights:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury.......nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

The current 30 day time limit allows a reasonable amount of time to protest or contest the allegations that one does not meet the qualifications fro gun ownership.  

Recently, we've seen a situation where the Honolulu Police Department wanted to confiscate the guns of all medical marijuana users on the grounds that they do not qualify for gun ownership.  The gun owners were given 30 days to comply, in which time, the Chief of Police, Susan Ballard reversed positions, and says that the policy is now "under review".  If the 24 hour notice was in place, all of these law abiding gun owners would have been required to immediately surrender their firearms.  By not allowing a reasonable amount of time for citizens to defend themselves, it  constitutes a direct violation of 5th amendment rights.  This bill also runs afoul of the 4th amendment, the right to be free from "unreasonable searches and seizures". I consider a 24 hour confiscation period without time for due process to be "unreasonable".

changemyoil66

Re: FIRE MISSION: Oppose HB2228 (Firearms Surrender) - TESTIFY BEFORE 2/7 10am
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2018, 09:33:15 AM »
My testimony, sorry dont have much time to craft something better.


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I oppose HB2228, and submit that the law currently in place is reasonable and sufficient to ensure that firearms aren't in the hands of people who should not possess them.

This bill is a direct violation of 5th amendment rights:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury.......nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

The current 30 day time limit allows a reasonable amount of time to protest or contest the allegations that one does not meet the qualifications fro gun ownership. 

Recently, we've seen a situation where the Honolulu Police Department wanted to confiscate the guns of all medical marijuana users on the grounds that they do not qualify for gun ownership.  The gun owners were given 30 days to comply, in which time, the Chief of Police, Susan Ballard reversed positions, and says that the policy is now "under review".  If the 24 hour notice was in place, all of these law abiding gun owners would have been required to immediately surrender their firearms.  By not allowing a reasonable amount of time for citizens to defend themselves, it  constitutes a direct violation of 5th amendment rights.  This bill also runs afoul of the 4th amendment, the right to be free from "unreasonable searches and seizures". I consider a 24 hour confiscation period without time for due process to be "unreasonable".

Imagine the line at HPD and those who got in line 1st only to have not to turn in their guns.

ren

Re: FIRE MISSION: Oppose HB2228 (Firearms Surrender) - TESTIFY BEFORE 2/7 10am
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2018, 09:35:59 AM »
submitted
This is not only for testimony opposed to these stupid ass bills but a litmus test of how much our voices matter to these Ainokea legislators. Make a record of these elitists and vote these snobs out.
Deeds Not Words

aieahound

Re: FIRE MISSION: Oppose HB2228 (Firearms Surrender) - TESTIFY BEFORE 2/7 10am
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2018, 09:39:08 AM »
Done.

2ahavvaii

Re: FIRE MISSION: Oppose HB2228 (Firearms Surrender) - TESTIFY BEFORE 2/7 10am
« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2018, 09:49:32 AM »
Points I brought up is
Inability to transfer to another person
Difficulty in transferring to ffl
No time to dispute an erroneous disqualification
Undue hardship getting guns back
Pds will not take care of the firearms.

I brought up the fiasco with the medical marijuana card holders.

hvybarrels

Re: FIRE MISSION: Oppose HB2228 (Firearms Surrender) - TESTIFY BEFORE 2/7 10am
« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2018, 09:57:47 AM »
Just made it under the wire. Glad I check the site this morning!
I’m becoming clinically undepressed and thinking about beginning it all.

K30l4

Re: FIRE MISSION: Oppose HB2228 (Firearms Surrender) - TESTIFY BEFORE 2/7 10am
« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2018, 10:38:32 AM »
I hope that my testimony goes thru. I just posted at 1037a.

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