a predictable pattern (Read 7638 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: a predictable pattern
« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2018, 09:48:33 PM »
The more ridiculous than the suggestion that an armed teacher is the solution. Time and time again these shootings have happened and all we can manage is that we need armed teachers. Now I am not against this but it is silly for us to have that as our only idea and act like it will make all the difference when evidence has shown it didn't. We need a more comprehensive set of suggestions.

When someone is walking on campus randomly shooting people, it means all other solutions have failed.  The only thing you can do now is hide, barricade, have a plan, hope law enforcement arrives quickly, and return fire.

You keep acting like armed teachers is a bad solution.  Why is it a bad solution?  I see it the same as a fire extinguisher.  It's a measure of last resort.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: a predictable pattern
« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2018, 02:58:41 AM »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

punaperson

Re: a predictable pattern
« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2018, 06:35:58 AM »
Please forgive the wall of text, multiple video post below. It is intended to possibly (and I stress "possibly") educate the one person posting here who won't see the elephant standing on his head. The FASTER program is NOT intended to be the sole change for creating greater security in schools, but a program that would be complementary to all other forms of increased security, which includes restricted access, more "campus safety officers", etc. I'm guessing most of you that have been following these incidents for years are well aware of this program, but I'm also aware that at least one is not. I know this won't make any difference for this one person, but as with submitting testimony and calling the recalcitrant and lying legislators, I do it anyway.

Emergency Response Training for School Staff

For Immediate Release - February 18, 2018

On Friday Florida Carry called for the Florida Legislature to immediately:

Pass emergency legislation to eliminate gun-free zones for law-abiding concealed carry licensees;
Pass emergency legislation authorizing all teachers in public schools who possess a CWFL to carry their licensed, concealed firearm if they so choose, without repercussion; and
Provide immediate funding of one million dollars in grants for county school boards and sheriffs to implement pilot programs of the Faculty/Administrator Safety Training and Emergency Response (FASTER) Program in the State of Florida.

Today we would like to introduce you to FASTER.

FASTER stands for Faculty / Administrator Safety Training & Emergency Response.

Created in Ohio by concerned parents, law enforcement, and nationally-recognized safety & medical experts, FASTER is a groundbreaking, nonprofit program that gives educators practical violence response training.

http://fastersaveslives.org

Since 2013 FASTER has taught over 1000 teachers, from five different states, a carefully-structured curriculum offering over 26 hours of hands-on training over a 3-day class that exceeds the requirements of the Ohio Peace Officer Training Academy.

The purpose is not to replace police and EMTs, but to allow teachers, administrators, and other school personnel on-site to stop school violence rapidly and render medical aid immediately.

When violence strikes and students' lives are on the line, every second matters. Faster response is a better response.

FASTER saves lives!

Preventive measures, including hardening the school building, mindset training, trauma casualty care training, and armed defense will all save lives.

To combat loss of life due to fires, schools nationally have employed multiple, overlapping layers of protection. The lack of any fire related deaths in our schools over the last 50 years illustrate the success of this approach.

It is time to employ the same multiple, overlapping layers approach to protect our children against violence.

Parents, ask your child's school if they have any Trauma Kits.  Do they have Classroom Trauma Kits?

Ask if your child's teacher has been properly trained to save your child's life by rendering Trauma Casualty Care using Tourniquets, QuikClot, Blast Bandages, Chest Seals, and Nasopharyngeal Airways.

If your kid's teacher thinks a "Blowout Kit" is a hair care product, they have not been properly trained to save your child's life.

Ask if your child's teacher has any meaningful way to defend students from an attacker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1BPw-vg8GE&feature=youtu.be

FASTER Saves Lives



Emergency response training for educators



Teachers Complete Gun/Medical Training Course

Similar to pilots who carry guns to protect their passengers and crew (something that has worked very well in spite of all the anti-gun predictions of disasters), school staff need the tools necessary to protect their children - not just from fires or abuse, but also from a killer in the room.

We are not advocating arming all teachers.

Most school staff wants nothing to do with carrying a gun. They are not the people we want to train on armed defense. But every building has one or more people who will volunteer. Pick the right people and we'll help them get the necessary training from world class instructors. If we have someone willing to lay their life on the line to protect out students, it's our responsibility to give them the tools, skills and permission needed.

punaperson

Re: a predictable pattern
« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2018, 08:06:28 AM »
The student doesn't specify what form of "a little bit more" "gun control" would be appropriate, but that had the coach had his gun "he most likely [would] have stopped the threat".

https://crimeresearch.org/2018/02/rotc-student-said-hero-football-coach-stopped-shooter-firearm/

An ROTC student said the hero football coach could have stopped the shooter if he had his firearm

An ROTC student said the football coach could have stopped the shooter if he had his firearm. The coach was also a security guard.  This was on Friday, February 17th, 2018, and it is something that you surely aren’t going to see on other television networks.  When asked about guns on campus, Colton Haab, a 17-year-old student at Stoneman Douglas High School, noted:

“Absolutely, unfortunately, gun control, it’s definitely needed a little bit more. I don’t think that we are going to get gun control in such a fast enough response. I believe if we did bring firearms on campus to teachers that are willing to carry…and they got their correct training for it, I think that would be a big beneficial factor in to school safety. If Coach Feis had had his firearm at school that day I believe that he most likely have stopped the threat.”

eyeeatingfish

Re: a predictable pattern
« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2018, 07:55:43 PM »
When someone is walking on campus randomly shooting people, it means all other solutions have failed.  The only thing you can do now is hide, barricade, have a plan, hope law enforcement arrives quickly, and return fire.

You keep acting like armed teachers is a bad solution.  Why is it a bad solution?  I see it the same as a fire extinguisher.  It's a measure of last resort.

I don't think it is a bad solution, I just don't hold it up as the holy grail of answers.

I am all in favor of letting teachers be armed on campus, with some level of regulation.